And this is the bottom line. Roy never fought anyone anything as like as good Micheal Spinks at LHW, for example. Jones isn't unique because he's modern. He's unique because he's Jones. Other eras have incomparble fighters too.
Mcgrain-I agree 1000% -great analysis on the LH. Foster was tailor made to destroy Jones. A tarver like figure-tall, rangy pressure fighter...but he hadhad way more power and grit than Tarver. have never seen Langford. Moore had a good stle to get to Jones, rugged, excellent power, skillful and tough as nails-I think he'd wilt Jones though it's 50/50 for me. I'd go with joes against all the other LH...though I think Spinks and Qawi would be 50/50 fights. Qawi absorbed ridiculous punishment vs. Holyfield at 190, so he could have stood the power of jones and in his prime he was ferocious enough to give Jones trouble...but id still go with RJJ-just too much talent. Spinks would be intersting'cause he was another rangy pressure fighter who could take a great punch, he was awkward too and Jones might get caught by the Jinx. A%0/50, but again on talent I go with jones. At MW I agree he'd have given hagler too much. Haven't seen enough of your other guys. I think RJJ knocks out Leonard or Hearns-way too much power and speed together. I thinkSRR was small for a midlleweight and he had some trouble with other slicksters...but his combination of power and speed I'd give the nod, especially since he could get fight inside. He also had one of boxings greatest chins-one heat exhaustion stoppage in almost 200 fights. I don't thinka prime RJJ could have dealt with the inside pressure that SRR could have applied-my question is whether SRR would have figured out that this was the way to get to him. SRR didn't often chose to fight inside, but was great at it when he did.
I have never seen anyone with the combo of speed, quickness, power, elusiveness, and unpredictability as a prime RJ. To tell me any fighter will just walk right through him is crazy. There is no way anyone KO's Roy in his prime.
Thanks. Burley is considered by some (not me I should add), including some that have seen him, as a fighter not unlike Jones in terms of reflexes. Burley threw one punch at a time up at LHW and HW. His tactic at these weights was to slow the action way way down, to avoid the powerful punchers he was in with. Burley was a welterweight, you see, he had to adjust at this weight. At WW and MW, Burley was often a different fighter. Archie Moore, who was destroyed by Burley at 160 called him a "human riveting gun" firing "hundreds of punches from every angle". Burley is the smaller man in this fight. I think the aggressive fighter would turn up, but Burley would slow the action down upon tasting JOnes' power - Jones is naturally cautions, rightly here, there is nothing between them for power - and boxes his way to a tight decision. That's how I see it at 160.
No-one? Don't be ridiculous, that's hero worship not analysis. I do believe he is the most pyhsically gifted fighter ever captured on film however.
I rate Jones INSIDE the top 20 fighters of all time, ever, and as you can see i'm as into the old school guys as the new school. But there are other guys within that top 20 - and without for stylistic reasons - who would beat him. Similairly, because of his extraordinary physical gifts I have him beating a guy in my top 5 outside his best weight, Ezzard Charles. But you really think he's unbeatable? Put him in with Bob Foster, hardest punching LHW of all time 10 times and you think he'd win ten? The boxer THAT far ahead of his peers has never been born, i promise you. There is little separating the men in the top .1%, where Jones certainly belongs.
He will lose at least 1 for sure when you put it like that. Under normal circumstances I can't see him losting to anyone I've ever seen myself. You make a lot of sense though. I'm not trying to discredit anything you're saying.
Put it this way - pound for pound he's the best of the pay per view era. In terms of pure physical gifts he is the best ever seen on film. Put him in any era and he'd be a dominant force and regarded as an ATG. He's the type guy that would split a series of five with anyone in the weight range you've mentioned. That is, nobody could fight him 5 times without losing at least once, and some all time great fighters would lose all five.
Good post and a fair point. I would just say that, in all fairness, Jones probably learned a great deal from Griffen I. That is he was a better fighter after it than before.