Prime RJ vs anybody all time H2H from 160-175

A prime RJ could beat everyone on that list.

 

At 160:
Robinson wins a close decision
Against Hagler, the intangibles are the deciding factor and Hagler wins a down to the wire decision
Monzon 50/50
Greb I'd favor slightly; he's got the style to get it done but would he?


At 168 I can't think of anybody I'd favor over Jones

At 175:
Ezzard Charles wins a decision
Bob Foster by KO, probably around 9th or 10th round
Michael Spinks wins on points

 

I base it moreso off of resume, and that Tunney was at a level of skill and generalship that Roy never fought at 175; let's not forget, the Tunney that beat Dempsey wasn't prime, either. We didn't get to see alot of what Tunney could do at LHW. His resume speaks for itself, though. Also, he actually would've been the slightly bigger man with a reach advantage.

Imagine if, 80 years from now, the only footage that existed of Jones was his last few fights and that the footage was of a much lower quality than it is now. How would Jones be measured under such circumstances? Probably not quite as highly as he is now on a H2H basis, even though Jones has a very good resume as well and we've had the luxury of seeing how good he was firsthand.

I know this is a double edged sword, and there's a chance that more existing footage would've just exposed more flaws, but I don't think that would've been the case with Tunney.

 

I think a lot of the older fighter are vastly underrated. We still remember the brilliant performances of Jones against inferior opposition and assume the things he does and the fundemental mistakes he makes won't affect the outcome of a fight against the absolute best. A style like his is one of a kind, but against truly professional fighters, the absolute best, the lack of fundementals can be exploited. Fighters like a prime Hagler, SRR, and Monzon would have made him pay if he made a mistake and 160. Roy beats everyone at 168, but at 175, guys like Foster, Moore, Charles and Spinks also would have made him pay for making mistakes. Guys like Conn and Tunney were great boxer who could have outboxed him. I think Qawi would have given Roy loads of trouble because he was so strong, the same goes for Saad Muhamed. Michael Moorer could have possibly stopped him, and Tarver always had a style that would trouble Roy.

 

Oh I intentionally leave out the "a" Sir

 

A Prime McCallum beats RJJ IMHO. One of the few who can get inside Jones and work the body. Tremendous conditioning as well great technician, surprisingly for a body puncher, great fighting on the outside as well.

 

You really do love your favorites, don't you?

 

Such a flawed post.

 

Roy Jones|----Boxing-----|Roy Jones

 

Although as physically gifted as any boxer I've seen, Roy's lack of the fundamentals would hurt him agianst a number of the ATGs. These are the sort of guys who have had 100- 200+ fights. These are guys who have dealt with every style imaginable and could make adjustments to overcome (through timing) the speed advantges of Roy.

You cant really make a case for Jones be an ATG at 160, because he wasn't there that long and didn't fight that much in terms of quality (o/s of a raw Hopkins). Purely on the fighters that I have seen I would pick Monzon and (controversially a prime Hopkins) to beat him at this weight. I like Jones to outmanouver Hagler over 12 (dont know about 15).

At 168 I like Jones over just about anyone

At 175 I thought Jones lacked a certain physicality. His inability to sustain an attack that would stop many of his substandard 175lb foes would not serve himwell aginst some ATG 175ers. Like most on these boards I saw Foster as an absolute beast. 6 foot 3 with speed, crippling power and toughness. Even in his losses to Frazier and Ali he looked dangerous (albiet for a breif period against smokin Joe). Couldn't really see Jones having the intestinal fortitude to engage enough to win that fight.

 

Its true I have favorites

McCallum was one..very versatile and had no weaknesses. He took and walked through Julians bombs and took away his heart. I mean who does that! Defeated more top notch oppositions than Roy...Names like Graham, McCrory, Curry

Was past prime and still drew and lost a Maj dec with a young stud james Toney. And wait both fights were highly controversial because most feel Mike won

for me its all about logic rather than explaining long winded strategies and scenarios..

We KNOW how these guys fights!!..overanalyzing is futile in most cases.

McCallum was 40 years old and still gave a decent showing against a
primed Jones. Being the tactician that he was (it helped stretch his career a bit)..what does that say if Mike was in his prime?

Nigel Benn said "Roy Jones can beat the crap out of my head all he likes, but I'm not letting Mike McCallum snatch my body!". Roy Jones Jr. might have said it best saying "Ray Leonard had a lot of glamour, but he didn't have the skills of Mike McCallum.”

 

Stylewise, I would say a Prime Hopkins (the version that fought Tito or a bit before that), DM, his style was perfect to give RJJ hell, plus his jab was fantastic. Spinks could of beaten him, Moorer at LHV would have smashed IMO, and Tarver, as his style is all wrong for RJJ.

I give those guys the best shot.

Hopkins, DM, Spinks, Moorer and Tarver. RJJ could of pot shotted most guys on the list like Hagler, too big and too fast for SRL, too fast and accurate for Calzaghe.

 

Some big Lightheavyweight names missing from that poll, including Foster, Moore, Moorer, the list goes on.

 

Hmmm... prime RJ is a tough one.
He took a lot of good guys out
Id say nobody partially because im a huge fan of his

 

Of that list, Spinks

The only other that keeps it competetive is Joe Calzaghe

Foster and Langford should be on there