Prime RJJ vs. Prime JC WOULD be Competitive

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  1. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    My god, rationale reasoning?! A rare thing on this board

    Anyone remember the Virgil Hill fight? And yeah I know he got KOed, but prior to that he was actually keeping the fight even just by pumping the jab. And RJJ was having trouble with it till he landed that freak body punch.

    Lest I forget, Calzaghe surprised many when he began outjabbing Kesseler midway into the fight and dominated from there.

    And saying RJJ could land some Bizarre out of nowhere shot and beat JC is shite. By that reasoning JC could land some crazy left hook didnt even see it punch knock RJJ out.
     
  2. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And you know that for a fact, right?

    I didn't see anything tongiht to suggest htat a younger Roy would've easily beaten Calzaghe. He would of certainly done better, but it's not like he's suddenly a completely different fighter with a different style.

    Calzaghe is just straight up hard to fight. He's very unorthodox and hard to figure out. What he did to Jones tonight is the same thing he does to all of his opponents.

    I think if they both fought in their primes, it would definitely be competitive, but I'd honestly put my money on Calzaghe. He's way too determined, and he would pressure Jones and keep him on the ropes throughout the fight just like he did tonight.
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Now far be it from me to say so Rummy.

    But 60-40 Calzaghe, if we're talking PRIME Roy, is delusional.
     
  4. lenin

    lenin what the **** you say? Full Member

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    come man, the jones we saw tonight was nothing like what he was in his prime. Prime jones goes after calzaghe and takes him to school
     
  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joe takes away his opponent's weapons.

    Kessler's words.

    Kessler was supremely confidant going in.

    Afterwards, he said that Joe didn't let him "fight his fight"

    We saw it with Lacy.


    We saw it again with Bernard.


    If Bernard had retired or never done anything significant again, we could have said he was too old.


    But six months later, that even-older Bernard shut out Pavlik, the supposed next big superstar.


    So he wasn't that old.


    Joe just adjusted and took away Bernard's game.




    All that said, I would still favour prime Roy in a head-to-head with a prime Joe.






    But it wouldn't be easy !
     
  6. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    Takes him to school how? Taking a fighter to school implies your skill level is massively above theirs. Jones actual boxing skills are not what is impressive, it was his speed that won him fights. Jones is not a master boxer, Calzaghe is. Just because he has his Prime legs and reflexes does not mean he can "school" Calzaghe. Those things are all purely physical, not mental
     
  7. LeadLeftHook

    LeadLeftHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First off 36 and 39 isnt like comparing 28 and 31. Yes Roy is only 3 years older. But 36 and 39, well Jones turns 40 in Jan, is a BIG difference. Your body is declining so fast especially for a boxer like Jones that relies on speed and reflex.

    Fact is, Jones was shot 5 years ago when he came back down from heavyweight. Suffering brutal KOs from Tarver and Johnson. Then beating nobodies in a comeback effort. He beats an over the hill, retired welterweight in Trinidad and suddenly everyone is conned inlcuding Jones himself that he is back. Mentally and physically Jones was done!

    Joe beat the shell of Jones and Jones would easily have beat Calzaghe years back but Calzaghe waited for his opportunity.

    I have more respect for Hatton than Calzaghe. Hatton fought the best in his prime and continues to fight good competition. Unlike Calzaghe he didnt wait for his competitioin to get old before he fought them.
     
  8. Imperial1

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    James Toney was the most fundimentally sound boxer at the time they fought not too mention a defensive wizard yet Jones smoked him with speed !

    To say Joe would be competeive against a prime Jones based on his dominace of a faded Jones is a bit ignroant especially when you have to know how Jones moved in the ring 10 yrs ago and how he moves now ..Thats like saying LeBron James is better than the most recent version of Michael Jordan !!
     
  9. Toopretty

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    Truer words have never been spoken. If Roy was not retired by Glen Johnson. Then comes back and fights nobodies and a retired Tito and LOOKED SHOT IN THOSE FIGHTS...lol. Its not like Calzaghe has the benefit of the doubt where Jones was still doing Jones and he comes and beats him up. NO, Jones been ****ing shot. His comeback was a joke. I mean nobody considers him relevant. It was a good win for Calzaghe for him mocking and showboating whilst beating Roy. But..come the **** on.
     
  10. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    Europeans cant understand that kind of logic. Any win is a great win.
     
  11. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    Toney was horribly weight drained for that fight and looked like a dead man trying to throw punches. That was the worst I had ever seen him and anyone who was familiar with his career up to that point knew it. That is not a relative comparison.
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    Age is just a number, you people need to stop comparing them by their age, as if that means Jones is only this much more shot than Calzaghe, etc.

    Calzaghe, aside from his slightly deteriorated physical ability, is the best he's ever been as a technician and ring master. Jones is nothing in comparison to his old self in any way. His handspeed is still exceptional in spurts, nothing more.

    That said, while I think Jones clearly beats Joe at both fighter's peaks, I think Joe would be competitive as well, winning a few rounds in the process. His adaptability and general effectiveness and difficult style would allow him to be competitive with most fighters from any era. He's a great fighter.
     
  13. Koa

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    Thank you. :happy
     
  14. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    I got that fight thtrough the legends of the ring series ..Please don't bring that up as a convenient excuse .He was not horribly weight drained he always had problems with weight .Why do you think after that fight he went to lt heavy than cruiser than heavy ? Arum gave a detailed account of the entire situation ..Its not Jones fault that Toney the best fighter p4p and the man at super middle who was also a heavy favorite did not bring his A game ! !



    Your saying a fight between Joe & Roy in their prime would be competetive based on how Joe just fought the most current version of Roy ..I simply must disagree based which version of Roy Joe just faced .

    Joe was able to walk in with his hands down against Roy last time someone did that agaisnt Roy (in his prime)they hit the canavas last night Roy could barley fire off eneough rds to graze him @ pt blank range ! Sorry but your arguement of the prime issue is week based on how far gone Roy had declined ..Joe will always be a style problem for anyone but a prime Jones lights his ass up in a one sided pts win !
     
  15. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    translator please.