Prime Roberto Duran 1977 vs Prime Julio Caesar Chavez 1987

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Only that's entirely wrong.

    By the mid 70s Duran had become a complete technician. He overwhelmed guys at lightweight because he could, but that doesn't mean his skills weren't in place.

    I can't even believe we're having this conversation.

    Have you ever seen the Hector Thompson fight?

    It's Chavez mythology we're dealing with here.

    You people are questioning the far more proven fighter of the two.
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Duran matched Ray Leonard`s hand speed at welter in Montreal.
     
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  3. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Duran would have to be at his best physically and mentally to win a very close decision .Anything less he's in trouble.Would of been an awesome fight !
     
  4. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Duran would kick the ass of chavez in a bad day
     
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  5. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These posts "Duran had better be at his best" are weird.

    Duran was consistently dominant for every single one of his lightweight title fights. Of course he'd be at his best.

    He didn't become a "hot and cold" type of fighter until post-Leonard.

    If anything, prime Chavez had more down performances than prime Duran.
     
  6. META5

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    Duran was faster of feet, hand, reflex and in-fight intelligence and adjustments - he was also stronger and a better in-fighter for me.

    I know JCC is a great, but Duran is going to feint him into defensive reactions that he counters time and time again. I don't see how JCC consistently bests him, how he deals with Roberto feinting his lead and then countering with a sharp right hand lead, falling in, trapping JCC's arms, whilst uppercutting on the inside, using his head to steer JCC into position, nullifying JCC's inside work, whilst ripping uppercuts and short hooks. JCC was a better fighter than Palomino, levels better, but I know exactly what you mean - getting timed so often, getting manhandled and having no answers could make JCC tentative in the latter rounds and if not, everything he would try, Duran would likely have the answers for.

    There's just too much going for Duran at his peak as an example of in-ring excellence, especially given that JCC's game is to come forward here - he's not outboxing Roberto where his slower hands and slower feet leave him at more of a disadvantage.

    If someone could make a convincing argument of how he wins, then my opinion might be tempered, but here - I just cannot see any scenario where this plays out without prime Duran being crowned the victor, other than getting DQ'd for intentional low blows.
     
  7. Blaxx

    Blaxx Active Member Full Member

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    Overall, I think LW is Duran's territory through and through and he should be favoured on most nights.
    TS narrowing it down to 77 Duran and 87 JCC makes it more interesting. It's basically Duran of Vìruet 2 vs JCC of Rosario and on that night Chavez was sublime.
    Still I can't find how Chavez wins this one, he will have his moments with the left hook to the body and some slick combinations but 45minutes is a long long time in there with Duran, at 135 no less.

    Duran by UD. Chavez is competitive but at no point does it look like he might steal it from Duran.
     
  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I agree that's why Whitaker didnt want him @'35 or '40. Quitting on your stool isn't sexy.
     
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  9. ronnyrains

    ronnyrains Active Member Full Member

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    Roberto Duran, better at every phase of the game. Roberto stayed to long, and Lord willing he got out with his marbles intact anyway, not only did he have a vast underrated Defense, he took one of the best shots in the business.
     
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  10. BundiniBlack

    BundiniBlack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He won that fight with his physicality controlling distance and staying inside because he couldn't match Leonard's speed in the pocket
     
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  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolutely correct,,,I see a lot of people saying this fight would go the distance. I think this fight is going to explode in a very short time because both men come forward and infighting will be the result. As you said Chavez couldn't bully Randall and Julio cannot outfight Duran on the inside and back up Roberto Duran. Chavez can't fight going backwards I think Roberto TKO'S Chavez in 8 to 10,
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    2:26:02 Look at that uppercut, Duran landed many uppercuts against Ray and out-worked him on the rope often like this:
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  13. BundiniBlack

    BundiniBlack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As I said Duran won on the inside with punches like that one. That is how he beat Leonard its an amazing win
     
  14. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Randall didn't fight prime Chavez. Prime Chavez is unknockoutable.
     
  15. sas6789

    sas6789 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It goes the distance becuae Chavez is behind only Hagler and maybe LaMotta (that i've seen anyway) in terms of iron chin. Randall was Julio's 91st fight and his 15th year as a pro so don't you dare suggest he was at his best then.