Prime Rocky Marciano vs prime Jerry Quarry

Your post inferred that because Jerry Quarry did well against Mac Foster he should by necessity do well against Rocky Marciano. Marciano was historically elite. Mac Foster was a complete journeyman. There are multiple solar systems between their skill sets. The situations are not the same.

 

I see you've done extensive research on Marciano...(watch a 10 second clip on You Tube...and talk to some nit wit at the bar who thinks that Tyson Fury is a top 10 heavyweight champ)...you frauds are everywhere..."Revisionist clowns!"...Next!

 

I can see what kind of fan you are and what direction this is already going. You're chomping at the bit like an angry dog because someone "inferred" something about your favorite fighter that you disagree with.

 

Floyd Patterson was my favorite heavyweight. I am not a strong Marciano fan. I just don’t think Quarry was anywhere near as good as people think he is here, he was never destined to have any realistic chance of being champion, he topped out where he should have topped out and he had nothing for Marciano, Foreman, Tyson, Louis or any other name anyone can toss out.

 

I agree with , Quarry would have nothing for Foreman ,Tyson or Louis. But you can include Marciano in there as well ,Foreman ,Tyson and a prime Louis detonate Rocky.

 

Again, I rate Rocky No. 5 all time because of what he did against the competition that was placed in front of him. I think there are many more than five people who would beat him, some of them easily, H2H. Folks might disagree but I don’t see a disconnect there.

 

Quarry had many of the liabilities that Rocky had: could be cut / could be hit / short reach / not tall / not fast of foot.
Shared some good: could punch / could take a punch / tough and gutsy.
Differences advantage Rocky: stamina / Jerry was brave but he could get discouraged and beaten mentally / Rocky fought out of crouch and tried to get inside foes guard this minimized reach issues and cutting
Quarry advantages: quarry had short reach but 4 inches longer / Quarry 1 1/2 inches taller / Jerry about 10 11 pounds heavier / Quarry better classic skills
Prediction: Quarry could over whelm Rocky score early KO. Rocky could outlast Jerry for decision or late tko or catch him with Rex Layne type KO
Most likely Quarry does enough to win decision or possible late tko maybe on cuts as Rocky taking too many shots
Prime Quarry size advantage and skills a little too much in the end of a very tough fight the smaller Rocky makes it.

 

Hi Buddy.
Don't think we have spoken before, so the pleasure is all mine, as to your very detailed and observant take on the merits or not of both fighters, well done, pinpoint and hard to dispute, as to the outcome of this intriguing fight, I favour Rocky, and I see him coming back from a KD to grind Quarry down in the later stages, thinking the ref will show compassion and pull a badly battered and protesting Jerry, as I have said on many occasions Quarry is my fav HW, but this fight will be a bridge too far .
Stay safe Steve, chat soon buddy.
Mike.

 

Hey Mike - As I said could be he outlasts Jerry. He had great stamina and we know for Jerry it was a problem. In Quarry’s best long fights he would die out but then get a second wind late. I think you have to look at Quarry’s prime could have been 73 when he was 27 and beat Lyle and Shavers. He weighed 200 and 202. If we go Charles fights for Rocky he was 187 for both. That’s a lot of weight to give away to someone you want to run up to and slug it out with. And Quarry had skills and could punch. 8 out of 10 times the in coming firepower will be too great to overcome for our beloved Rock.

 

Hi Buddy.
Yep, your scenario could be played out for sure, Rocky's chin would sure be tested to the enth degree, and you are right to highlight the big weight difference, certainly he would be getting hit by a much heavier opponent, but still I have trouble seeing a good fighter that he was Quarry beating a atg in Marciano, it dont make sense I know, I just feel he would find a way, great fighters always do, as you quite rightly state Jerry had a mental issue at times, in particular Ali 2, so that might play a part, in so much that despite knocking Marciano down even more than once, the Rock would still be up and charging forward looking for revenge, who knows ?
been an education chatting with you Steve, looking forward to many more.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.
Mike.

 

Quarry had pop, but did he really hit harder than JJW? Also, Walcott was 196 when he fought the 184 pound Marciano. If Walcott weighed 4-6 extra pounds, would it have mattered? If we use 184, he was outweighed by 12 pounds. So at 184, Quarry would outweigh him by 16-18 lbs . At 187, only 13-15 pounds. We already know that Rocky can overcome a 12 pound weight difference. Why not a 13 pound weight difference?

 

Rocky was already starting to show signs of aging by 1954. If the best version of Quarry meets the Marciano who fought Charles, I think Quarry defeats Rocky by decision -- if everything's on the square.

 

Quarry was very good against the big slow bangers like Ron Lyle, Mac Foster, Shavers (who was 6" but powerful - Quarry had a good chin and these guys basically tired. Marciano like Frazier is a different fight. Marciano's pressure starts to show itself during and after the first 6 rounds and it becomes an uphill battle for Quarry as Rockys stamina work rate and continued punching wear Jerry down and a big shot puts Jerry out, unless his corner stops it before that. Marciano by KO before 10

 

In my opinion this could go a lot like Frazier vs. Quarry one, with Quarry having early moments, then partially gassing, allowing the high stamina Marciano to stop him in the middle rounds. Quarry could be a good counter puncher but I think he would use the wrong style against Marciano and try to take Rocky out early.

 

Almost a pick em, but Quarry's greater skill and athleticism makes me shade to him. He almost certainly puts Marciano on the canvas with a counter. Quarry just had the bad luck to come along at the time of Frazier and Ali, two guys who would absolutely clown car Marciano.