prime ron lyle vs prime rex lane.....

I haven't read one of your posts in over a year..I'm not starting now.

 

Satterfield fought a strong level of competition and had some terrific wins but we can't forget about some of those losses. Being KO'd in a round or two by light heavyweights shows he was as inconsistent a performer as it gets.

Shavers didn't fight nearly as many top fighters, but he showed a similar ability to upset or come close to it against the best heavyweights of his time. He was a good 30 pounds bigger, a heavier hitter and more durable, which makes him a better slugger in my view. Satterfield was a better boxer, counter-puncher but his lack of durability and strength let him down when Layne forced him to a brawl.

Having hustled wins over Charles (questionable) or Walcott does not necessarily mean anything in a slugging match. Coming even close to beating Foreman does because Foreman as we know was very, very difficult to deal with in a brawl. It's difficult to imagine Layne duplicating any of Lyle's success. He was an in your face mauler and never hard to find.

 

Layne beat Walcott, I can't see Lyle stepping up to that level and wining.

 

We have to look at the manner in which Layne won, not Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, and Clarence Henry. Really I wouldn't put it past those terrific punchers to emulate Quarry's performance against Shavers, as that's what they did to Satterfield, jumped on him from the bell and didn't give him a chance to get going.

Layne successfully let Satterfield punch himself out while smothering him. Imagine that, banking your durability against a man who can stop big heavies cold. Marciano succeeded where Satterfield failed, but there is simply nothing to suggest Lyle had that sameone punch power Rocky or Satterfield possessed. Unless you prescribe into the "he's bigger, he has to hit harder" theory we know is bogus.

Layne doesn't have to duplicate Lyle's success against Foreman, he's fighting Lyle. Layne's smothering style would get him killed against Big George. Lyle's success came as a counter puncher, having Foreman on weak legs from counter rights in the opening rounds, its when he started to slug that he ended up another ragdoll for Foreman.

As mentioned before, Lyle may have been big and while Quarry beat him with boxing, he also was also very physical with him. Especally as Lyle tired. Layne is a 12 round fighter. If Ron fails to take Layne out early, I have little doubt he will lose.

 

Well said. The concept of styles is too complex for specific posters ...

 

Why stop now ?

 

It was more so Satterfield jumping on them and having his chin checked in the process. I have enough faith in Shavers that I do not think he would be KO'd by Jake LaMotta, Bob Foxworth, Sam Baroudi and Henry Hall.

I don't see that particular style doing well against Lyle either.

He only went 12 rounds once in his career though. Layne sometimes turned up overweight and ran out of stamina.

Lyle won 12 rounds decisions over Bonavena, Bugner & Ellis.

 

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Lyle was strong but a lot of his opponents he could not stop. I was there the night he fought Quarry and he was dominated. People look at the Foreman,Shaver fights and think of Lyle as a power puncher and he could punch but Shavers was stopped in that exact same scenario several times and Quarry got Shavers in 1, as Far as Foreman he really did not fight any 2-fisted punchers he fought Lyle but a Quarry,a Bonevena, or sharp shooter like a younger Jimmy Ellis may have exposed Foreman at that time.

Layne was ruined by Marciano with the one-punch KO but Rex was 34-1-1 leading into the Marciano fight and had beaten the man who beat and drew with him a couple of times. Layne underrated and judged a lot off of post Marciano fights.

Lyle had a lot of close wins that were SD's and a lot of guys that were KO'd by punchers went the distance with Lyle...Lou Baily,Jack O'Halloran,Manuel Ramos,Wendell Newton SD,Larry Middleton, Bugner SD,Stan Ward SD,Ledoux,Ellis,Peralta D10, Bob Stalling, Ron was a big strong guy but not an especially hard hitter.

I see a close decision and would not be surprised to see Rex win but could go the other way or a draw and if they fought several times you may find a mixed variety of results, SD,Draw, UD or either man could be stopped

 

let me see layne got knocked out by slow small short overrated Marciano but he would beat Lyle. Yeah that makes alot of sense.

Lyle by first round knockout.

 

-Not a fair analogy, Shavers was a HW his entire career of course you can't see him getting KOed by them. Above 175, I could see him losing to the same fighters that Satterfield did.

-Is Lyle going to stop Layne early like Marciano? How many contenders did Lyle stop early? None. Doubtful Layne would be his first.

-Well, you got me there. 10 rounds. Layne's stamina was one of his better assets though, even when clearly outclassed he kept swinging and working like a "rudderless ship" as the press said to steal the win. Really no evidence his stamina and conditioning fading until his overall career started falling.

-Yeah, but Layne overall pulled off the better distance wins. You have some fading names and some good ones on their resume, but scraping past Walcott and Charles is ultimately more impressive than scraping past Bugner. Lyle's best points win was a 2 years removed from relevance Oscar, other than that he seemingly ran out of steam against Quarry, Foreman, Ali, and he lost to Young twice.

-The Shavers and Satterfield wins are strikingly similiar I must add. Come on, I have more faith in Layne but this is a fairly even match between two strong and durable "near men."

 

Satterfield on the other hand was never truly a heavyweight.

Marciano didn't stop him early. Lyle could stop him in the middle rounds where he was most effective.

I think he tended to run out of gas but he had a high workrate. He was at his best in 10 round fights. 15 rounds and maybe the Layne express would have run out of steam against Walcott, certainly did so against Charles.

I think there should be a huge question mark over the "win" over Charles, who did beat him 2 out of 3 and decisively at that. He did beat Walcott in a 10 round fight but I do not think this alone puts him among the "elite" contenders. He could not quite duplicate that success at any other point in his career.

 

-Come on, Great A. He boxed over 175 for the last 8 years of his career, beat many HW contenders in this time(more than Shavers and Lyle) and cracked the rankings several times. He was a LHW who became a fairly successful HW.

-Maricano killed a live and fighting Layne dead with one punch that tore his gumline off. Ok, who did Lyle stop in the middle rounds? a washed up Kirkman?

-Layne isn't an elite contender. Neither was Lyle. As said, both were durable and strong "near men." I got to give the edge to Layne though, just a better amount of wins over solid to excellent opponents, and I think he has the goods to beat Lyle.

 

I know that but I'm saying as far as weight Satterfield was never a heavyweight. He was a 175 lber with the power of a heavyweight.

Shavers, Middleton. The man only had a handful of fights during what could be called his prime so obviously he did not have an extensive record of victims. I think based on the relatively few fights he had, he had solid punching power and a style that worked well against opponents who brought the fight to him.

And I give him the stylistical edge.

 

Sure he got sparked out a few times but Bob Satterfield fought sometimes twice a month... beat Tommy Gomez, Lee Oma, Harold Johnson, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams, John Holman, Marty Marshall, and Nino Valdez north of 175. The timing and manner of Layne's victory is truely a better win than anything on Lyle's resume.