Prime Roy Jones Jr Goes Through Sugar Ray Robinson's Resume Undefeated

Roy dies of malnutrition trying to get down to 135 and 147 to fight the guys who SRR fought there so no he wouldn't go undefeated.

 

I've been watching Roy for nearly 20 years now, and I know how he is in interviews.

I think he blatantly lied, because if he hadn't have done, Collins would have been fuming, and he'd have demanded a fight.

Roy knows what went down in 1999.

But he was never going to say "You were a nobody to me, and I swerved you for a much bigger fight in Reggie Johnson."

If he'd have said that, Collins would have gone mental.

I look at Roy's body language and how he's been talking to reporters in the last month, and he doesn't want the fight. When he's backed into a corner, he'll say he wants it, and it wouldn't go the distance etc, but he doesn't want it.

Roy's got John Wirt looking at opportunities in Poland etc.

I will be amazed if the fight happens.

They've already had an offer for the fight, which Collins said was acceptable, but Roy didn't agree.

 

Jones would have to go through about 125 fights without getting hit once. But we all know that eventually he would get hit, and his glass jaw would be all over the canvas, utterly shattered.

 

Not everything out of Roy's mouth over the years has been true.. that's for sure.

Regardless, a fight with Collins after Frazier just was not a viable fight at the time. There was other business to take care of... He should just leave it at that.

I don't think he was 100% truthful when promoting the Calzaghe fight either.

 

He's told his fair share of lies over the years, but I don't think he wanted to get into any kind of argument with Collins. If he'd have got into an argument, Collins would have demanded the fight.

In my opinion, despite what Roy's been saying on his U.K. tour, he wants no part of him.

 

Most of what he was saying in that talk was lies. After a while I started skipping his parts.

The Collins fight could of took place from mw - lhw, before Collins retired. There is no valid excuse Jones can give for not making that fight.

 

He should of fought him at smw 95-96

 

I agree that he lied. But like I say, if he'd have turned around and said "I was never bothered about you, because you didn't mean anything to me" Collins would have crazy and demanded that they fight. Then Roy would have had nowhere to go, and in my honest opinion he doesn't want the fight with him now.

We've been through all of this before. In 1999 he told Levin to make the fight. But that's because Collins put him on the spot in his hometown. But after he'd had time to think and Murad had gotten hold of him, we know that he changed his mind and upset Stan.

Between 1994-1996 we know that Roy had discussions regarding Benn and Liles. Collins was just a WBO belt holder at that time, and he was only big in England because he'd beaten Eubank and Benn. He wasn't big in America, and there was no real interest in the fight. Collins was deluded saying things like "I want to unify with Roy" as though his WBO belt meant something.

Roy had three options after the Toney fight.

1. Deal with King.

2. Fight Collins.

3. Move up for a fresh challenge at 175.


Collins was ducked/dismissed. He was left behind.

But I can't honestly say that in my opinion, he was ducked because Roy feared losing to him. I just don't believe that for a second. Roy was in his 20's. We know he went up to heavyweight at 34. A guy who feared Collins at 168, at 26/27, would not go to heavy 7 years later. It makes no sense.

Collins was a hard man, but what did he have apart from an iron chin and tenacity that would have troubled Roy? He wasn't a fast southpaw with great skills etc. Roy had nothing to fear.

If Collins had have held a major belt at 168, or he'd have had one at 175, I think Roy would have taken the fight.

 

Collins should have been busy fighting calzaghe, he was and always will be a nobody. Not worthy to wipe Eubanks or benns arsehole

 

What if Roy fought DM, Benn, McClellan, Eubank, Liles, AND Collins?

 

Why are you just focusing on 1999?
I'm talking about before Collins retired. He could of fought Collins from mw - smw

There was no discussions with Benn. Jones never allowed it to even get that far. Benn had no idea what was going on. Jones ignored him and told the press various reasons why the fight could not happen.

The problem with this:

1: You don't know what Jones's view is of the WBO belt
2: Otis Grant was a mw wbo champion
3: Jones picked up a bunch of belts, which had less worth than the wbo, like the IBO belt
4: None of the guys he defended his ibf belt at at smw were "big in America". You are holding Collins to a standard which you are not applying to Jones's other opponents.

Not true.

He dealt with King, which is how he made the Liles fight. The fight was signed and agreed on, but fell apart because Liles did not like the money, not because of King.
No one at HBO blames King for fights at smw not happening. They point the finger at Jones

Collin was better than the guys he defended his belt against. He also could of fought Littles, Nunn or maybe try to get a top mw to move up

He wasn't looking for a fresh challenge. If he was he would of fought Hill when he was the unified champion, instead he fought waay past prime McCallum.
Vacated the wbc belt to avoid Nunn.

You don't behave like that if you are looking for challenges.

The fight did not happen because Jones could not be bothered to make the fight. The interesting thing is that Collins is better than most of his opponents.

McClellan had a "major belt" at mw and he got no shot, so I can't see how you can think a belt would make much of a difference.

 

It's funny that anyone would expect Jones to go through Robinson's resume undefeated, when he couldn't even go through his own undefeated.

Even when squarely in his prime, he managed to blow a fight to Montell Griffin, who was no better than the likes of LaMotta, Turpin, and Olson, all of whom also competed successfully at LHW. I don't see how anyone could honestly expect Jones to not have similar trouble adjust-ing to other awkward styles like Turpin or Fullmer, and not lose at least one fight in a series with them.

 

Montell Griffin was out boxing Roy Jones in parts of that fight and it was even until Jones was frustrated and hit a Griffin that was down. Roy Jones is one of the biggest hype jobs of the last decade.

 

It's a bit of a pointless thread really.

Ray's peak was at 147. Roy's peak was at 168.

Roy would be too big for nearly all of the guys Ray fought.

I think the TS means that Roy on his best day would have beaten anyone on Ray's resume. Which in my opinion, he definitely would have done.

But there's no way he could have gone through 200 fights undefeated, fighting every month.

 

Griffin was a good counter puncher and yes he caused Roy a few problems. But if Roy hadn't have been stupid, he'd have gone on to knock him out. We saw what happened in the rematch.

It's easy to say he was a hype job, but lets look at the current crop of fighters who are around at the moment.

Lets look at MW.

Do you think GGG, Martinez, and Chavez Jnr could have beaten Roy at 160?

I don't think so.


What about SMW?

Froch, Ward, Kessler etc?

I don't think any of those guys could have beaten Roy at his peak weight.


LHW.

Hopkins, Dawson, Clev etc?

I can't see it.


CW.

Who at CW could have beaten the Ruiz version of Roy?


Roy is extremely underrated on this forum.