Prime Roy Jones Jr Goes Through Sugar Ray Robinson's Resume Undefeated

I love RJ, but no. Tho guys like Basilio would dwarf RJ it would be something Rj wouldn't be accustomed to seeing or facing. Basilio was small, but the one that beat SRR I'd give a chance to beat many middleweight boxer puncher ATGs. Fast, hit hard, and relentless. Wouldn't give much space to throw he'd have to get overpowered like Fullmer did it. Rj would struggle big time with Basilio than the rest.

 

Basilio would be tiny next to RJJ, Roy would ****ing bludgeon him.

 

I am not sure Roy could fight have the amount of fights SRR had.

 

It is like saying Michael Moorer would have killed all of Jones' opposition.

There was a reason why Roy didn't stay long at 160 and fought most of his fights at 175.

 

If SRR fought today, he would probably not be the same fighter he was. The times made a lot of Robinson. He often fought because he had too and if he was around making Floyd Mayweather money now, that dude is going to be slacking with his dedication, IMO. ****, he's probably be The Money Team

 

He pretty much would have, with the possible exception of Ruiz. And the reason Roy didn't stay long at 160 is because he outgrew the weight, which goes to my point that Basilio is too small to even be competitive with RJJ let alone beat him. It would be a terrible matchup and a short and brutal night for Carmen.

 

Robinson in his second career was 3 years removed from his prime, he no longer trained like he used to then, and it was also at a weight that wasn't his prime weight.

 

Ray fought in 15 rounds fights, fighting every few weeks and he wasnt wearing Grant gloves - this needs to be taken into account.

Give Roy a 3 month training cam, grants and 12 round bouts then yea he probably could beat everyone on Ray record.

 

You've made some great points, but they could never have fought each other in their primes.

Ray was at his peak at 147.

Roy was at his peak at 168.

You could make it interesting, by debating Ray at 160 Vs Roy when he was young at 160.

But you can't do a prime vs prime debate.

 

Robinson would have comfortably defeated the green version of Hopkins, Jones beats. And Jones horrific glass jaw would surely have been decimated somewhere along the line.

 

Great post!

It was a different world back then, and the circumstances were different.

This is why you can't compare records.

How would Floyd do fighting 200 times, and fighting once per month?

There's no way he'd retire undefeated. It wouldn't be possible, no matter how good he is.

Lets say he fought Garcia in 3 weeks time, and then he fought Khan just a month after. Then lets say he had another 5 fights before x-mas.

It's more than possible that he'd lose the odd bout along the way, even if he's the better fighter on his best day.

 

If Jones was born and grew up and trained in Sugar Ray's era, he'd have many losses on that ledger.

Even if his prime form at the weights were teleported to the past to face these guys, he'd have accumulated multiple defeats. Robinson's activity level was so great that I probably wouldn't pick any fighter to make it through unscathed.

Besides, there is no such thing as a prime Roy Jones at Welterweight, so there goes a great hunk of Robinson's fights which just can't be factored in at all.

 

Dwarf?

Basilio was about 5ft 6.

Roy would have had huge physical advantages.

Roy's 5ft 10, and was huge at 160, with unbelievable speed.

Carmen was a warrior like La Motta was.

I've got nothing but respect for both of them.

But styles make fights.

In my opinion Roy would have easily beaten both fighters.

I can't envisage either of those guys landing anything significant on Roy.

 

I agree completely.

Comparing such different eras are impossible.

However using your example, let us keep in mind that Robinson didn't always face guys like Guerrero, Garcia, and Khan in those times of high activity. There were often soft touches thrown in there. It would be like fighting Luis Abregu, Selcuk Aydin, Danny Garcia, Ajose Olusegun, and Carson Jones over the next 6 months...