Prime Roy Jones Jr Goes Through Sugar Ray Robinson's Resume Undefeated

Great post Nonito, and I agree.

Yes, Ray wasn't fighting elite guys all of the time, but you get my point.

Ray lost to La Motta, and then fought him again just 3 weeks later. How crazy is that?

It was incredible what Ray accomplished. He was always in shape, he ran about 7 miles per day, everyday. He had a 25 year career, fighting until he was 44.

There's no fighter in history that could go undefeated living that life.

Even with the examples that you've given, I'd say it would be possible for Floyd to have picked up the odd loss.

Ray lost 19 times. But if Ray had've been at his best, fighting to his full capabilities, then in my opinion he'd have beaten those fighters he lost to on his best day.

But in the real world, that wasn't possible. You can't be at your best all the time, when you're fighting that often and you begin to age. You'd have too many miles on the clock.

It's all due to circumstances.

 

No doubt...

 

Assassin,

It's hard to reason with an idiot, but I'll give it my best shot.

You've typed these two sentences:

They were willing to fight him.

Benn was the only one willing to fight him back then.

Which is it?

How do you know when I was watching boxing? The only thing that you know about me, is my username.

I'm 33 years old, and I started watching boxing when I was 7.

If you've been watching boxing for a long time, you'll know all about boxing politics. It's not as simple as saying he just ducked everybody. There's circumstances involved. You can look in a dictionary or online, to read up on what that word means.

Yes, he missed some guys, but you can't fight everyone. Also, the majority of the guys that he missed, weren't as good as the guys that he actually fought.

Now you come on here with your hate filled rants, and you've got no evidence to back up what you've said.

Eubank didn't want to fight Roy.

You're right in saying that Nigel Benn did want to fight to Roy, and I've got a huge amount of respect for him. But Nigel was with King, and the Levin's who handled Roy back then, didn't really want to deal with Don, and give him any future options on Roy.

Collins was just a WBO belt holder, and that didn't mean anything to Roy at the time. Liles was also with King, so unifying the 168 division would have been extremely difficult. So that's why he didn't stay around for too long. He decided to bypass Collins and leave the division, to take on new challenges up at 175.

When Collins challenged him again at 175, he'd been out of the ring for two years, and he was brushed aside, to unify the division against Reggie Johnson, who had beaten Collins.

Who says that the G man scared Roy to death? They missed each other at 160, and Gerald only had the one fight at SMW against Benn.

The only fighter who Roy should have fought, was Nunn when he was Roy's mandatory at 175. But Nunn was badly faded then, and it wasn't a big omission.

Who else?

A fight with Dariusz could never get made. Dariusz and his manager turned down HBO's chance of coming to America and fighting on a double header to promote the fight.

I've also got a full page of links with quotes from Kerry Davis, Murad Muhammad, and Brad Jacobs, saying how Daruisz's manager would never take any calls from HBO to discuss numbers, and he was never available to sit down and talk.

Hopkins priced himself out of a rematch.

Calzaghe was unknown outside of Europe when Roy was prime.

Who else is there?

He missed McCallum (earlier), Jackson, Toney (earlier), Nunn, Johnson (earlier) and all of the other guys at 160, because Roy Snr had held him back.

While all of those guys were fighting each other in the early 90's, Roy was fighting nobodies in Pensacola fairgrounds.

Toney is only 6 months older than Roy, but while he was fighting Reggie Johnson, McCallum and Nunn etc, Roy was fighting the likes of Ricky Stackhouse and Lester Yardbrough.

By the time he'd beaten Hopkins for the vacant belt, he was 24, and he was becoming too tight at the weight.

After Hopkins, he was fighting as high as 167, so he eventually had to move up to SMW.

So he missed the boat.

He didn't go out of his way to avoid those guys, it was due to circumstances.

Life is all about circumstances and opportunity.

If he avoided guys like Jackson and the like at 160, because he was scared, then the last thing he'd have done was to move up a division to fight a 26 year old undefeated James Toney, who was considered to be one of the best fighters in the world.

He didn't AVOID the best around. Why don't try and counter what I've typed above.

Tarver and Johnson stopped him at 35, after 50 fights, after winning titles in 4 different weight classes.

You haven't got a clue have you?

Do you know what to be mentally weak means???

He moved up to heavyweight at 34.

He dropped back from heavy to fight a pumped up, hungry Tarver at nearly 35, after losing around 10 pounds of actual muscle.

He's still fighting Cruiserweight contenders, trying to secure a title shot at 44, but he's mentally weak??

You can't win titles in 4 different weight classes if you're mentally weak.

I suggest that you have a rethink on this.

My Knowledge is from old boxing articles?

Really?

I must have just dreamt that I'd been watching it since 1987 then.

You might have watched boxing back then, but it's obvious to me and the rest of us reading your hilarious drivel, that you clearly did NOT SEE what was going on at the time.

I don't expect an educated response, but I live in hope.

 

:nut

Something no one else managed, in 200 attempts. Now remind us again, how many times was Jones KTFO?

 

Srr was a lightweight/welter/mw/smw at highest.
SRR at 19 was 135 pounds
Roy at 19 in the olympics was 154 pounds.

Roy would have an easy time with SRR his opposition if he wouldn't need to obey a weight limit.
So you would get a 160/168 pound guy fighting lightweights, light welters and welters and Lamotta.

Roy got dynamite in his fists, I'm pretty sure he stops them all.(Except maybe Lamotta)


Saying Roy would blaze through SRR his resume is like saying Ali would blaze through Mattew Saad Muhammad his resume.

 

Prime Sugar Ray Robinson would go through Sugar Ray Robinson's resume undefeated.

And if he had modern training and nutrition and took a decent break in between fights, who knows what he would have done.

 

Benn was the only one willing to fight Mcclellan back then. Mcclellan wanted Jones real bad, but he ducked. everyone was talking about it at the time on both sides of the pond.

Mcclellan thought that he'd just come to the UK and wipe Benn out and limit the excuses from Jones for why he wouldn't fight him. i have an interview on video of Mcclellan saying that when he KO's Benn, he wanted to know what Jones' next excuse was going to be. it didn't turn out that way because Benn crushed him. then Jones got to ducking Benn as well.

there isn't much to respond to. it's mostly YOUR OPINION!

all these fights and Jones manages to avoid them all? stop making excuses for the man, it's pathetic.

and i know you weren't watching boxing back then because i've seen you comment on it on here. asking General Zod questions about filling in the gaps for you. it's ok to admit you don't know what was going on back then. but what pisses me off about you is claiming that your incorrect opinion has any basis of truth to it. it doesn't.

and it wasn't a hate filled rant either. if you think the truth is hate filled, then i think it's best you stay in your deluded little bubble talking constant ****.

the reason as to why Jones fought Toney and no one else ( for the 100th time) was down to him struggling with weight and having poor discipline. he was right for the picking for Jones. he did the same thing with Ruiz (also for the 100th time) talk, talk ,talk, talk... that's all Jones did. about how he was going to heavy to fight the best. i told anyone that would listen that Jones was up to his old tricks again. he'd fight Ruiz, then scarper. he was never going to fight any of the top dogs. is that exactly what happened? then it must be the truth then! Duh!

Michalczewski wasn't prepared to fight on a Jones undercard for less money because he was the ****ing champ. you don't drop everything to dance to the Yanks tune just because they ****ing well say so. shove that arrogance up your arse you massive tit. HBO would have put money up for the fight in Germany. they didn't need to sell the fight that everyone wanted. it was already huge.

Jones should have fought Collins as well. i don't care if he held the WBO, the WBA, the WBC or some other ****ing belt, the belt doesn't make the fighter. if you're the best like Jones kept claiming, then you fight the best. keep on pushing to fight until they agree. did this happen? no! everyone else was pushing to fight Roy, but all they got back in return was more bull****. i different excuse for every occasion. what a surprise. and you're the one who slates Calzaghe when he never ducked a fight in his life. you cretin!

do i know what mentally weak is? yeah, Jones personified it. don't get me wrong, to get in the ring takes guts. but to claim to be the best whilst never proving it, shows weakness. boxing isn't a charity. and it also says a lot about the mans character when he claims he doesn't want to endanger his life (Benn) but has no problem what so ever about fighters being ill equipped going against him and dishing out a beating whilst making them feel small by constant showboating. yeah, he was a real man of courage.

lets not forget about the animal cruelty either. lets keep to the truth, and keep your ****ing opinions to yourself. there's a good boy. :deal

 

You are a hater, quit beating around the bush and acting educated. Jones' victory over Toney and Ruiz mean nothing? This is garbage.

I bet you don't give him credit either for dropping weight to fight Tarver, prime, motivated and the best in the division... I suppose he should have went after DM. There is no talking sense to you.

 

Same goes for Rocky Marciano, the average fight of him was a "9.5 rounder", Wlad his average fight is a "10 rounder".

Muhammad Ali is the only atg hw, and maybe the only hw ever who his average fight was more than a 12 rounder.

It's a myth that heavyweights of the past trained for more rounds, MOST never fought a 15 rounder and if they did it were just a few.

 

What is it with the UK posters and their distaste for Jones Jr?

 

They're extremely butthurt that it's pretty much treated as a given that prime RJJ smokes Calslappy in between his morning hoops and evening hoops.

 

This. Look at Ali, SRL, all of those guys where they were at 35. DLH too. Even Lewis who considered to age well retired at 36/37.

Mid 30s was considered retirement age for the majority of boxers. Its only been in the last 5-8 years that we've been seeing a pretty big increase in the >35 crowd in the top 10. I really suspect its PEDS because its all of a sudden in the last few years that we have so many 40 year olds near the top.

 

Yeah if Ray only fought every 6 months, made >$1 million each fight, and had 3 month training camps in the mountains for every fight, he wouldnt have all of those losses. THats what happens when you fight so much so often.

 

Old school fighters fought to stay in shape. There are a few fighters that go that way today until they make it to the big money stage, then they have to protect their status.