Prime Roy Jones Jr. vs. Artur Beterbiev.

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  1. Joe-fist

    Joe-fist Wise men fear nothing Full Member

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    Thanks mate your a great poster! I would say this: i even know when he gonna retired(not the month or days of course) and what he's gonna do after he retired!
     
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  2. Joe-fist

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    Just a question for you...how do you rate Usyk?
     
  3. Loudon

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    Thank you.

    Well, I hope that it’s not any time soon.
     
  4. Loudon

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    I think that Usyk is amazing.

    Serge and CST80 told everyone for a long time just how great he was.

    They were in no doubt about what would happen if he faced AJ etc.

    I never got onboard at the time.

    So I had my doubts.

    Of course, they were proved right.

    He’s just phenomenal.

    He’s my P4P no.1.

    I just hope that he gets the Fury fight.

    I honestly don’t know how that plays out. It may not be exciting. It could even be boring, with lots of feints etc. But I need to see it. It’s the most intriguing match out there.
     
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  5. Pepsi Dioxide

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    Ruiz kept beating guys that everyone at the time thought he would lose to in a style that was ugly and frustrating. Beterbiev is a better fighter, but he would not be elusive like Roy. Beterbiev could win, but i wouldn't underestimate Ruiz here as many did before. Ruiz would be looking for the 1-2 (which Ruiz had decent pop in his right) and then grab, hold, clinch, wear down with his size, repeat. I would definitely be rooting for Artur to win though that's for sure, living through the Ruiz reigns was so frustrating.
     
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  6. ad4m88

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    Who were Jones best wins at light heavy? His record isn't exactly great at that weight
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He beat Tarver on the slide. Tarver was an undefeated gigantic LHW southpaw, bigger than Beterbiev, McCallum was a good win, Jones handled common opponents with DM much easier. Griffin was a good win too, Gonzalez was an ok win and Hill was well past it but nobody had handled him like Jones did. Johnson ?

    That resume is better than Beterbiev's
     
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  8. Richard M Murrieta

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    Roy Jones Jr was very talented but losses to Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson very disappointing, Artur Beterbiev is too strong, if Beterbiev catches up to a tiring Jones, it is over.
     
  9. Rico Spadafora

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    Beterbiev by savage KO.
     
  10. Luis Fernando

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    You're right, I mistakenly confused Roy Jones Jr and Floyd Mayweather Jr. Roy Jones Jr does indeed throw good combinations, so I stand corrected.

    But as for the rest, I still stand by what I already stated. Roy Jones Jr was an average INSIDE fighter at best, and even that might be pushing it. His ability to fight out of the clinches, or his ability to escape clinches, or his ability to even just work on the inside was either nonexistent or extremely rudimentary. Defensively, he was very rudimentary on the inside where he'll just have his earmuffs on and look to cover up.

    He also did not have the shortest or most compact punches either, to be effective on the inside.

    The best boxers, specifically inside fighters (and even some non-inside fighters), have to be very good at wrestling / grappling. After all, wrestling always has and will always be a part of boxing as it is a more natural and superior fighting system since wrestling (clinching) is included in boxing but the sport of wrestling has no boxing (punches). And the best fighters in boxing can not only punch, but can wrestle very well. They don't have to be able to wrestle as well as a pure-wrestler necessarily, but be able to wrestle good enough to be able to be in a position to always punch.

    And Roy Jones Jr would probably be more dangerous than Lomachenko in MMA? You do realize Lomachenko factually has a black-belt in Judo and has won tournaments in both Greco-Roman wrestling and combat Sambo back in his country?

    Video evidence? Here it is:



    So unless you can provide evidence for Roy Jones Jr having anywhere those feats of Lomachenko in grappling, that alone proves Lomachenko would be significantly more ready than Roy Jones Jr for MMA, but add the fact that his BOXING style is also much more compatible for a freestyle 1vs1 hand to hand combat, that'd make him even more of a threat in MMA by an astronomical margin.

    We can totally ignore Lomachenko's feats outside of boxing in other combat-sports and solely compare their feats in boxing and still Lomachenko's BOXING skills would translate better than Roy Jones Jr's, so would Oleksandr Usyk's over Roy Jones Jr.

    Even if we ignore the fact that both Usyk and Lomachenko are far superior grapplers than Roy Jones jr. the biggest differentiating factor here between Lomachenko, Usyk and Pacquiao compared to Roy Jones Jr is that the former three in Lomachenko, Usyk and Pacquiao specialize in leading. In comparison, Roy Jones Jr was a natural counter-puncher. I've seen fights where was forced to lead and didn't look anywhere near as effective as he does on the back-foot. Roy Jones Jr may have had very explosive feet, but he didn't use the pendulum step like Lomachenko, Pacquiao, Usyk or even someone like Evander Holyfield. For the most part, RJJ preferred to stay on the outside, waiting for his opponents to make a mistake and then he'd leap in with unorthodox shots, which is totally different stylistically to how the other three boxers I've mentioned, box.

    Staying on the outside would get you destroyed by leg-kicks, which is a longer weapon than any punch. And that's precisely what Roy Jones Jr liked to do, stay on the outside waiting to leap in with counters.

    Lomachenko, Pacquiao and Usyk are lead-boxers who force the opponent back with jabs, feints and probes whilst also using pendulum steps to keep the opponent guessing. They then unleash combos from all angles from mid-range.
     
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  11. Luis Fernando

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    That's supposed to be impressive? LMFAO! I actually thought I'd see something impressive and new. But nope, the same old ducking straight-down whilst looking straight to the ground (a big technical flaw) and then coming up with blind left-hooks without even fully looking at the target before unleashing those hooks. You want me to be impressed with that low-level crap? LMFAO!

    That crap might have worked against scrubs in that era, but it'd be horribly outdated today, hence no successful boxer does this crap TODAY.

    Frazier's claim to fame was beating a shot to bits Ali post-prison. An Ali before prison totally shuts-out and probably even stops Frazier in one fight. Frazier only looked impressive against Ali because the Ali he fought, was so shot he could barely even bounce on his toes anymore. Regardless, if Ali had an uppercut to speak of, even the washed up version, he would've dispatched Frazier like the low-level plodder that he is. Foreman exposed exactly the level Frazier was at, when he dispatched Frazier like a ragdoll with those uppercuts.

    I don't think you understand just how ridiculously flawed and risky such head-movement from Frazier was. Anybody worth their salt would easily expose that flaw today, just like Foreman did THEN. And Frazier continued fighting like the slow plodding head-down ducker that he is, without making a single adjustment, despite being dropped nearly double-digit number of times. That goes to show his nonexistent ring IQ.

    If you want to see actual bobbing & weaving, you can see it in the following video:



    Frazier rarely ever weaved, only bobbed, and not too well either as he used to look straight down, exposing the back of his head and mostly in the same direction.

    Oh and for the record, I don't even think Beterbiev is that skilled a boxer either. In fact, I don't even consider him much of a boxer. I consider him more of a wrestler than a boxer but with the concussive power of a power-punching cruiser-weight / heavyweight boxer. If a wrestler ever was also a genuine knockout artist, Beterbiev would perfectly fit that bill. Thus, anything resembling an actual 1vs1 freestyle combat, Beterbiev puts Frazier in a coma if he really wants to. His COMBINATION of punching and wrestling is far superior to Frazier's.

    And power alone can carry even someone like Beterbiev, who is not that skilled, a long-way in the sport of boxing, especially above super-middleweight.
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

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    Limited boxing knowledge. The youtuber literally broke down Fraziers styles for you and you still deny reality :risas3:

    Frazier would crap on Beterbiev if they EVER were to step in the ring. I don't have time for this. This BS is coming from the same guy that called 4 division champion and former undisputed lightweight champion Pernell Whitaker "grossly overrated" and called Lomachenko a better fighter.

    FFS. You're an idiot
     
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  13. Loudon

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    Great post.
     
  14. Loudon

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    Neither is Artur’s.

    He’s only had 17 fights.

    Also, you’re looking at how they’d realistically have matched up stylistically.

    Roy’s best wins at LHW:

    Mike McCallum
    Montell Griffin
    Reggie Johnson
    Virgil Hill
    Richard Hall
    Julio Gonzalez
    Clinton Woods
    Eric Harding
    Antonio Tarver
     
  15. sparta

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    Roy by total obliteration!