Prime Sonny Liston s L. Lewis title opposition (the versions Lewis fought)

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  1. BCS8

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    This thread suffers from the classic error of pitting a single, idealized "prime" version of a fighter against another fighter's resume that took place over a span of years, maybe a decade. So we look at each case on an individual basis against that "prime" ideal version, and conclude that yeah, Liston > Lewis. Whereas in actual fact fighters had ups and downs and their careers reflect that. Put Liston in Lewis' shoes and make him walk that mile. He loses more than just a few.
     
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  2. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    I give these guys a chance, Vitali beats him, not sure about older Holyfield. For the later fights Liston is past it as well, so who knows...
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    Can Liston make it though undefeated here? Not a chance. But you have to judge it when Lennox fought them, and sub in Liston to be fair. This means Tyson is a shell, Holy past his best, etc...
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    Liston an average guy on this list? Wow. I agree he'd lose some, but he's better than most listed for sure.
     
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  5. zadfrak

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    Sonny is going to stumble somewhere. The question would be if he could bounce back. He may or may not recover from a loss well.

    Losses, as in plural, I sure do not think so. The Ali thing rears its head, and Sonny could definitely fall back to just fighting 3rd raters and no more steady diet of top fighters.

    The other thing is his corner. Lewis was in there against some pretty good corners and Manny was still at least equal or an advantage in those matchups. Big big subtraction with that Liston corner facing top trainers with their pedigreed fighters time after time.
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Liston did take the bombs of Williams and Folley, who was also a hard puncher.
     
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  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Keep in mind this would be 2002 Tyson. Don't know if you factored that in to your pick.
     
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  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    This version of Tyson may do well for a few rounds, maybe even rock Liston. Maybe. But I think he'd get stopped eventually.
     
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yeah that's what I thought I was doing
     
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  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Though I do think Holyfield would still be a hard day's work even this version
     
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  11. Mendoza

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    Liston isn't Lewis, he's in there to fight, not win safely. I think Liston at the age Lewis was when he fought Holy stops him. Agreed it would not be easy.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    So you're saying that Liston stops Holyfield or vice versa?
     
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  13. Bummy Davis

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    I overlooked the year 2002 but while Tyson was mentally unstable & past it he would still be a danger to Liston but that Tyson was beatable
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

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    Horrible list! How could you forget Jeff Sims, and Brian Yates?! :lol:
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

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    What'd you get booted for?
     
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