Prime Sonny Liston vs Muhammad Ali (1967)

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    We're not talking about an undertrained Liston who thought he was immortal, but a younger version of him who will live in the gym to beat Ali. Ali of course, trains his ass off too.

    Anyone here seeing Liston taking it? And how?

    I think Ali has Listons number in the sense that he has too much speed of hand and foot and the chin/recuperative ability to save him from the moment that Liston does land.

    15 rounds.




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  2. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Prime Liston was in the ring against Ali yet...


    I´ve seen almost all of the available Sonny- fights, and he didn´t look better there, he was only in the ring against mediocre fighters, that´s why he looked so "special", Liston would lose 10 times out of 10...
     
  3. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Under those conditions I think the best possible Liston would do better against Ali. Who knows he could even last 15 rounds. However, Ali's speed would always be a big problem for Liston. At best I see Liston losing a UD. I'm not one of those who think either of the Liston-Ali fights were fixed.
     
  4. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    I agree that Ali is overrated, but Liston is more overrated. People like Clay II have him at their 2nd best HW ever in their ATG´s list... :lol:
     
  5. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    :nut Hmm, your funny and yet tragic at the same time, thats quite an achievement.
     
  6. Manassa

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    Liston KO12. A different animal to what Ali faced in '64, the '59 Liston would have stalked, applied subtle pressure and paced himself en route to a left hook knockout.
     
  7. Muchmoore

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    Ali is far too fast. Liston even though he was slower than he was at his peak wasn't shot and he couldn't even come CLOSE to landing on Ali. Peak Liston makes a better fight out of it but still loses by decision.
     
  8. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali would win a fairly competitive UD his speed will always be a problem as he would have Liston chasing throughout.
     
  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Prime Liston had trouble with cutie Manchen, and Eddie was no Ali. Liston would go 15 rounds if he was in his pomp, but he would lose comfortably.

    Ali WU15 (10-5)
     
  10. McGrain

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    There are no two heavyweights in my top ten with more distance between them in terms of head to head. I think Liston has close to no chance.

    I just don't think he can make Ali fight fast enough.

    Wide UD.
     
  11. janitor

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    I am going to go against the grain and pick Liston here. Remember that Ali was taking a big step up in competition and had not yet reached his peak. Liston should be able to capitalize on this.
     
  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But the question was 67 Ali against 60ish Liston.... Ali had reached his peak;)
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Then I will go with Ali.
     
  14. Manassa

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  15. Muchmoore

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    He was miles behind.