Prime Sonny Liston vs Muhammad Ali (1967)

The "little boy" from the 60's is universally recognised as the best version of Ali and arguably the best heavyweight in history. 70's Ali was great too, but '77-'78 was substantially slower, less mobile and had become too reliant on taking punishment on the ropes. If I thought you were right I'd agree with you, unfortunatley you're just plain wrong.

I hope my pathetic spelling is up to your fine standards.

 

Ropes? I was talking about sexual maturity. Unless there is something kinky about Ali I did not know about.

 

Oh sorry, I was talking about boxing. You're probably in the wrong place if you want to discuss a boxers sex life.

 

... But it goes for boxing too. Ali was better in the late '70s - he was just more confident. In the '60s, he was a quivering wreck and couldn't take a punch.

 

Hmm, I'm starting to get bored now. I better leave you to your own devices.
Have fun in your world & don't forget to take your medication. :hi:

 

Liston's peak lasted from around '58-61-ish I reckon. Despite destroying Patterson (twice) the very next year he was beginning to slip slightly by this stage. By the time Liston faced Ali his training had be in slacker mode for the best part of a year, his boozing tendancy had taken hold and he turned up in the ring more ponderous and rusty than previously.

Still, that said you've still got to favour Ali here- most likely by clear yet pretty competitive UD; he'd find a way to edge out the tight rounds. Something like 9-6 sounds fair.

 

1. Ali fought Terrell and Folley in 1967.
2. The Ali of 1978 wouldn't win one round against 1967 Ali. The comparison is one ****ing bad joke. Ali 67 would knock Spinks out with no problems.

 

Liston just could never beat Ali.

 

Are you just ****ing with people?

 

In 1964, Lisron was already past his prime, while Ali was still three years away from his peak. One sided UD over Liston. Ali would effortlessly slip and counter Sonny's jab throughout the match. Liston would find it very hard to land solidly on Muhammad. Whenever he managed to succeed, the result would prove to not have been worth the effort. In frustration Sonny may well have quit on his stool between rounds.

 

Erm, no he didn't.

 

1967-03-22 211½ Zora Folley 202½ 74-7-4
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W KO 7 15
~ time: 1:48 | referee: Johnny LoBianco | judge: Frank Forbes | judge: Tony Castellano ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
Due to legal troubles, Ali would not fight for the next three years.
He officially retired on 1970-02-01 to allow the winner of the upcoming Joe Frazier-Jimmy Ellis unification bout to be considered the undisputed champion

1967-02-06 212¼ Ernie Terrell 212¼ 38-4-0
Astrodome, Houston, Texas, United States W UD 15 15
~ referee: Harry Kessler 148-137 | judge: Jimmy Webb 148-133 | judge: Ernie Taylor 148-137 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

 

Ali UD, fairly obvious if you ask me.

 

Boxrec? Surprise, surprise. Didn't you know that site is almost never correct? Ali never fought in '67, he retired in '66.

 

He retired in 1966 but his secret twin brother stepped in for him in 1967.