(PRIME) Terence Crawford vs. (PRIME) Oscar De La Hoya

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(PRIME) Terence Crawford vs. (PRIME) Oscar De La Hoya

Poll closed Sep 5, 2023.

  1. (PRIME) Terence Crawford

    22 vote(s)
    66.7%

  2. (PRIME) Oscar De La Hoya

    11 vote(s)
    33.3%
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  1. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Crawford is 36 and was never a prime welterweight. Oscar whoops him.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I love TC.

    But he hasn’t shown me that he’d comfortably beaten a guy like Oscar.
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    This is bizarre.

    You asked your question, but then answered it yourself in your very next post.

    Ha!
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    I’ve never seen anybody do that before.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Terrence has never fought anyone as great as a prime Oscar.

    There is no evidence whatsoever to think that it would have been easy for him.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Based on what exactly??

    Nothing.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course Oscar was an elite fighter.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He did struggle with Pea and Manny.

    But they were great fighters and he was obviously done against Manny.

    So I don’t think you can read too much into that.

    I think it would have been a close fight. And I could definitely envisage Terrence winning. But at the end of the day, he has a poor resume, where he just didn’t fight the calibre of opponents that Oscar fought.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    This thread is crazy. Crawford is an excellent fighter and a deserved top 3 P4P guy but his resume for a 40 fight vet ad top 5 P4P guy is clearly weak, let alone compared to Oscar's which is one of the best in recent memory. His best wins are Spence, Postol, Porter and the tiny Gamboa and he has barely fought any legit punchers, let alone ones his size. Spence should never have been ranked near the top 5 P4P and like Crawford he's fought a ton of featherfists, average punchers and barely any legit ones, again let alone ones his size.

    Oscar was a legit puncher, had an iron chin, excellent skills, and he fought way more world champions and punchers

    People say he lost all his big fights, but that's not true

    Beat

    Quartey 34-0-1
    Whitaker 41-1-0
    Fernando Vargas 22-1-0
    Hector Camacho 63-3-1
    Miguel Angel Gonzalez 41-0
    Julio Cesar Chavez 96-1-1 (100-2-2 for the rematch)
    Genaro Hernadez 32-0-1
    Rafael Ruelas 43-1
    Ricardo Mayorga 27-5-1
    Arturo Gatti 33-4-0
    Felix Sturm 20-0-0
    Jesse James Leija 30-1-2
    Javier Castillejo 51-4-0
    Luis Ramon Campas 80-5-0
    Wilfredo Rivera 27-2-1
    Oba Carr 48-2-1
    John John Molina 36-3

    Lost against prime versions of

    Manny Pacquiao 47-3-2
    Floyd Mayweather 37-0
    Bernard Hopkins 44-2-1
    Felix Trinidad 35-0
    Shane Mosley 34-0 (38-2 rematch)

    And he was past his best, and/or very inactive or fighting at a weight he had no right being at for a bunch of those losses and let's not act like Crawford wouldn't lose to all of those too especially if he fought them all when he was past his best like Oscar was against some of them

    Yes, some of the guys he beat were past or well past their best and some of the wins were controversial but he clearly beat Tito and Shane both of whom I would favour to beat Crawford and Tito would decapitate him

    I've said it before. Had Spence fought his mandatory the big punching Stanionis and got stopped by him 95% of fans would've said Spence was badly damaged goods after the car crash and Stan wouldn't have received a fraction of the credit Crawford has for it.
     
    Serge, Mar 22, 2024
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  10. Loudon

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    An easy fight based on what?

    The skill difference is remarkable?

    Really?

    Terrence has never seen an Oscar, or any of Oscar’s best opponents in his entire career.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    That’s not a valid reason though.

    1. Oscar really shouldn’t have lost every big fight.

    2. Terrence has never fought guys of that calibre.

    3. We also have to look at the stylistic match ups.

    Oscar would have beaten all of Terence’ competition.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What is obvious about it?
     
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  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    That’s a ridiculous opinion to hold.

    1. Yes, he was.

    2. Terence never fought those calibre of opponents that Oscar did.

    3. What about how they’d have matched up stylistically?

    Terence easily?

    Without taking into account any of the above?

    It’s silly.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Some of these posts are utterly bizarre.

    Oscar struggled in his big fights, therefore Crawford easily?

    WTF?

    Zero logic or context applied.
     
    Loudon, Mar 22, 2024
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  15. Loudon

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    Top 20 of all time?

    Absolute madness.
     
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