Prime Tito Trinidad vs Roberto Duran 147

So he was knocked down by left hooks twice and Ali three times ?:think

Huge difference.
Dont forget Duran was a career lightweight.:hey

 

More susceptible to left hook by country mile does not really qualify as research. Prove it.

Slower and weaker puncher like "Vargas and Campas"?

These two are your examples of slow and weak punchers? Vargas started his career with 17 straight KO's at 154 he did not look slow to me. At the time of the Trinidad fight Campos was 56-0-50KO's. That is one of the most impressive KO ratio record I have ever seen and he put Trinidad down because he hit friggin hard. He finished his career with 81 KO's he up there in the top 25 most KO's all time and he is a weak puncher? That must have been a typo.

Vargas was 20-0-17KO's coming into the Trinidad fight. 17KO's in a row. He ended his career with a record of 26 wins 22 by KO. That means he was coming to knock you out or get KO'ed. So what is this about his these two being examples of slow and weak punching? IMO, He was one of the best punchers in the history of the 154 division.

And others? Who..Like Joppy, Mayorga, De La Hoya, Hopkins, Jones...etc? Those others? Trindad fought puncher that hit hard. Why put down Trinidad to booster up Duran. We all know that Duran is great pound for pound, and I picked Duran to beat Trinidad but, to make this claims seems like you will say anything to be right instead of giving us a reasoned perspective.

 

You have to be the stupidest person ever to promote your egotistical arrogance in the history of internet forums.

The problem is you " actually believe " there is no difference between a guy getting dropped by 3 different guys with the same punch, as opposed to 1 guy dropping the same opponent twice with one.

Yep you managed to get one thing right, at the time Roberto beat your little hero Leonard he was indeed a career Lightweight.

I suspect you are the village idiot who clears the pub of sensible people every time he enters, because they don't want to be bored shitless.

Keep up your obsession with me by trolling my posts for past quotes. It is very flattering. Would you like an autograph?

 

Hundreds of thousands of words have been written about Duran, by people far more experienced, and knowledgeable than you, professional writers indeed. As far as I am aware NONE of them have mentioned the Panamanian being susceptible to left hooks.

Then again there are people who are convinced that they, and they alone, are right even as they're tearing the wings off butterflies.:roll:

 

I'd like you in my local pub for an hour.:hi:

 

Or ranting and swearing at all and sundry.

 

You can throw out the Hearns knockout as meaning nothing about Duran's chin. No one can duplicate what Hearns did to Duran,, Hearns was just an incredibly fast and accurate guy with big leverage. Fact is no one is going to knock out Duran with a left hook. Beating Duran takes outboxing him.

 

The truth is we shall never really know unless they fought. What I can say is that in my opinion Duran is the 2nd greatest fighter ever in the history of boxing pound for pound. Trinidad was never defeated at Welterweight and a great great fighter.

 

I gotta tell you...you are one to talk for experts.

How many times do we have to read from you that Sugar Ray Leonard was a bum because he lost to Camacho? In the thread: "SRL or James Toney? Who was the more natural boxer out of the two", you said;

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of "experienced and knowledgeable professional writers" when you came up with that? Give me one writer who agrees with that. Please! Put me in my place.

I sit here, give you round after round of at least four fights that Duran got smashed with left hooks to back up my oppinion, and you come back with "butterflies"? Seriously? "Seriously"...And while we are on the subject of butterflies... "Tearing the wings off butterflies"? What was is that? Poetry? The stuff that I have to correct that you come up with feels as easy as "tearing the wings off butterflies" I really have to laugh at that insult that really reads like a compliement.

Lookit.. when it comes to poetry I will seek the cousel of "experienced knowledgeable professional writers"

Thank you very much,
J

 

Believe me you wouldn't.:good

 

I find it almost impossible to believe how one man can be so stupid. On this thread there is only you claiming that Duran was troubled by left hooks. Again no one of any importance in the fight game has ever claimed such nonsense.

So that would tell any sensible person that they were more likely than not to be completely wrong.

Your opinions or theories on what you believe to be poetry are of no interest to me, as to be honest neither is your opinion of Duran.

I haven't called Leonard a bum for losing to Camacho, I've said he is highly overrated.

YES. Toney has forgotten more about boxing than Leonard ever knew. Which is why at the age Leonard was getting the **** beaten out of him by Norris, Toney was winning a world title. Then at the age when Leonard was battered by Camacho, Toney was still winning fights at a decent level.

You are like McFAY. A pure fantasist who convinces yourself that the fictions in your mind are real.

Ask him to show you Joe Louis KO' ing a bigger guy than Lewis with one shot. You'll have a long wait, but then again nutters and fantasists have got all the time in the world.

So any more drivel you can dream up to try to criticise Duran will be fun.

 

I am fully aware of that, thanks. Tommy's huge right hand KO was just an example to show the pure idiocy of the claim that Duran was susceptible to left hooks.

 

How does getting smashed with one punch prove you are not even more lilable to get hit by the a different punch?

If anything, you would think that "Hey, if Duran could get hit like that by a right hand, I wonder he can get hit like that by a left hook". Right? But to you it is "I decked Duran with a left hook both times we fought, I should stop throwing that punch because he is not susceptible to it".

Notice that I did not say he was susceptible to right hands even though he got mashed with the hardest right hand ever landed. You know why? Because, it was Tommy Hearns and he hit everyone with hard right hands and they all usually went down. Also, because it was a rare for Duran to get caught clean by a right hand, and also because Duran did not go down twice or get spinned around like he did with DeJesus or Barkley.

You know, after all this discussion, I am going have to reconsider if I overate Duran's defensive skill. I have him up there with the Pep's and Whitaker's. I may have to drop to the level of the Robinson's and Leonard's. Guys that were hittable at times but at other virtually unhittable.