Prime (Tokyo) Douglas vs. 1990 Foreman

I doubt Douglas will quit tbh. He had 0 quit in him that night. Any other version of Douglas stays on the canvas after that KD.

 

Gotta go with your gut

 

A Myth? Oh ok. A Myth left Tyson’s eye closed and scrambling around the floor for his mouthpiece.
I thought it was a highly motivated and talented professional boxer who for at least one night lived up to his abilities. But boy was I wrong. It was a Myth. Don King trying to rob a myth of his mythical victory.

 

Nope, it's reality.

 

Douglas had major physical advantages over Tyson regarding height, size, reach. And he was able to also push Tyson off.

All of the above Douglas wouldn't have that vs Foreman.

Another thing is that Douglas had it all his own vs Tyson outside of the knockdown. Douglas was not pushed that hard vs Tyson who for whatever was not on his A game.

People assume that Douglas would beat other ATGs, yet for me he was never really in deep waters vs Tyson. Remember Douglas looked good vs Tucker no different than he did vs Tyson, and when the going got tough Douglas quit.

I believe whatever mythical version of Douglas you want to try and conjure up, I still think at some point hes questionable heart/desire would crumble. And I believe Foreman could do that to Douglas.

Douglas is not Muhammad Ali who was one of the bravest Heavyweights of all time, and had one of the strongest wills of any Heavyweight in history.

 

Just to quote myself for some reason I misread the title, this is against an older Foreman. So my whole statement is a bit irrelevant in regards to this topic.

I think Douglas could beat an older Foreman, but my other comments still stand in regards to Douglas vs other ATG Heavyweights.

 

I give Douglas full credit for beating Tyson but even that unmotivated Tyson got him in trouble. Not Douglas fault Tyson couldn't get the job done tbf but still he couldn't beat Foreman the same way. Like u, I'm just not sold on Douglas of that night since he never had another performance of that caliber.


Nor would I call it a "fluke" bcuz he won that fight clearly again not his fault Tyson didn't show up. HIGHLY doubt Foreman would b that unfocused but thats given what I've seen of him. Fatigue did him in, never a lack of ambition in the ring.

 

Call him "Tokyo Douglas" "Mythical Douglas", "Buster" or just plain old "Douglas", he fought a helluva fight that night in Japan.

That said, a resurgent Foreman who, despite being quite a different fighter than he'd been back in the golden age, had shown by early 1990, that he meant business.

A couple of things to bear in mind about Douglas/Tyson is that, despite the use of a fantastic jab from Douglas, a) much of the action still took place at mid-to-short-range and, b) Douglas relied heavily on being able to let his combinations go and then tie Tyson up.

With the above in mind, Foreman would be marching forward in an attempt to close Douglas down. He'd revel in the mid-to-short-range zone. Even with Douglas beating him to the punch, Foreman would still look to land heavy shots of his own and leave an impact.

I don't think Douglas is durable enough to engage in a succession of exchanges like this and trying to tie Foreman up is not as easy as Ali made it look in '74. I think if Douglas tried this, rather than help him, it might actually play into his Foreman's game. So, I think Douglas would need different tactics against Foreman, keeping the distance and boxing from the outside. This would place more demand on his legs (whereas, against Tyson, Douglas had plenty of opportunities for respite) and, even then, Foreman is still going to be able to force his opportunities throughout the fight.

I don't think Foreman could take this on the cards, but then again, could Douglas outrun Foreman for the full 12?

Intriguing match-up. Either Douglas boxes his way to a clear decision or Foreman, well behind on the cards, forces a stoppage in the Championship rounds.

 

Agreed. Tho knocked down hard he faced no consistent debilitating attack and apart from a fleeting one punch moment had it completely his own way. We didn't even get to see how he'd go after the KD as the round ended.