Prime Toney v all of Usyk`s opponents, how would he have fared?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Prime Toney bulks up and takes on every Usyk opponent the same year Usyk fought them, how would he have fared?
     
  2. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Zero movement means bad news with a Gassiev and a complete technician with high iq like Breidis is even worse. He won’t hurt them either.Hunter beats him also maybe
     
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  3. I Dont Play With Dolls

    I Dont Play With Dolls Member Full Member

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    Last 10 Usyk Opponents , Toney would IMO :

    L TKO 8 vs Joshua
    W PTS vs Chisora
    W TKO 6 vs Witherspoon
    W PTS vs Bellew ( or a L PTS robbery , if in the UK)
    L PTS vs Gassiev
    L PTS vs Breidis
    W PTS vs Huck
    L PTS vs Hunter
    W TKO 10 vs Mchunu
    W KO 10 vs Glowacki (while 11 rounds behind on Proska's scorecard)

    Biggest issue would be the size, and Toney having to bulk up against much bigger framed guys would come at a cost. But his skills and his slickness will see him through to score some good wins.
     
  4. BCS8

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    He picks up a bunch of losses since Toney could rarely stay 'prime' for two consecutive fights.
     
  5. Mighty

    Mighty The Gypsy King banned Full Member

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    Briedis would batter him.
    Gassiev would batter him.
    Joshua would batter him. (Too much gap between size.)
    Hunter 50/50.
    Toney would beat others.
     
  6. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    With prime Toney era drugtesting or modern era testing? And with prime Toney era location (100% home advantage) or Usyk type location (100% in your opponent's backyard)?
     
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  7. Themessiah

    Themessiah El Jefe Full Member

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    Toney was ko'd 0 times and fought hard hitters like Rahman, Peter, Holyfield. Especially in the Peter fight he took bombs, why are you so confident he gets stopped?
     
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  8. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Holy **** prime Toney who beat Jirov? Toney beats Usyk in the finals of the cw tourney.
     
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  9. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Prime Toney was 168-175.
     
  10. I Dont Play With Dolls

    I Dont Play With Dolls Member Full Member

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    I only have him being stopped by AJ.

    Thats because he is a bigger puncher than all 3 of those Heavyweights and a better boxer then those 3 where at the time they fought Toney.
    I just see AJ winning one way or another and size has allot to do with it.

    How do you see Toney match up against Usyk's last 10?
     
  11. Themessiah

    Themessiah El Jefe Full Member

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    For some reason i saw TKO L for Mchunu and Witherspoon lol im blind. I think Samuel Peter has one punch KO power compared to Joshua who usually needs multiple punches to KO his opponents. Joshua isn't an amazing boxer himself but probably better than Peter, you're right on that. I agree with your list but i do think he could beat Hunter and maybe Joshua
     
  12. I Dont Play With Dolls

    I Dont Play With Dolls Member Full Member

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    Fair enough.

    Although i'd say Joshua hits harder than Peter. Joshua doesnt really put his back into every punch and swing for the fences like Peter.
    I just think you'd really have to question the size. 6f6 guy like Joshua would probably be able to rag doll 5ft9 bulked up super middleweight, even if it isnt Joshua's style.

    About Hunter I feel like he's massively underrated, he knows how to use his size and range, with a good team and management he could go far but time is ticking. Very possible for Toney to beat him at CW , If I had to bet i'd bet on Hunter though.
     
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  13. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Nah. He was still in his prime against Jirov, no matter the age.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Usyk would have toyed with Jirov, got hit far too much.
     
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He was slower at that weight compared to his fights v McCallum.