Prime Tony Ayala vs Prime Vargas

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  1. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I mean yey hed definatly be the favorite but Vargas is a live underdog and id take vargas at 2 1/2 to 1 underdog(which hed probably be) im sorry even though terry is faster and better skilled, I think Vargas was underrated as a boxer and he was quick himself. Not as fast as terry but quick enough to not be outclassed,and definatly tuffer than terry. If they got in a ******* id take Vargas. Terry would win if he boxed smart and didnt get careless,but i get the feeling at one time or another terry would get over anxious and run into trouble. Vargas chin wasnt the best but it was better than Norris's ,Vargas took what tito had for 12 and gave tito alot back in return, also beat quartey convincingly, and beat winky(everyone says winky was robbed:roll:) but he kicked back at the end and let vargas take it from him in the championship rounds I had it a draw. Regardless thats got to count for something and those credentials alone are enough to tell anyone that he wouldnt be outclassed hear hes in this fight and would have at least a 50/50 chance to spring an upset ko here.
     
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nando was an impressive physical specimen but when it came to fighting well, lets just say he was average and average will never cut it against someone like Tony
     
  3. kirk

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    if he was an average fighter, again... why would someone like tito and oscar struggle with an average fighter?

    I think your eather really overrating what TRULY average is in boxing (average are the journeyman you see in boxing, average means your not better then most in the sport... sorry, but when you reach the top 10 rankings in the world in your weightclass, your above average usually... and in vargas's case, was)

    An average fighter would never have gotten to where vargas is, let alone give the kind of fights he gave tito and hoya.... no way. Your eather really underrating vargas, or your idea of average really isnt average.
     
  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :lol:Apparently you guys aren't too familiar with Rooster.
     
  5. kirk

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    im not.... and again i have no problem with someone saying ayala wins, i just dont see how fernando vargas could possibly be an average fighter in anyones mind. Trinidad and Oscar dont struggle with average fighters... and average fighters usually dont become multiple world champs even in this day and age.
     
  6. BENNY BLANCO

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    :lol: RedRooster is my boy and he's just messing with you.
     
  7. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vargas had decent speed, but compared Norris he'd look slow. Tito outsped Vargas for Christ sake. Vargas's crappy ass defense would be his downfall vs a crisp, fast, powerful puncher like Norris. Plus Vargas was a huge sucker for left hooks, and Norris had a very good hook. Nando would have his moments, but in large part Norris would control the fight, and Terry finishes him around the 10th.
     
  8. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:blood:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  9. BENNY BLANCO

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    Vargas beats Ayala no doubt but he can never beat the man in my avatar.



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  10. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Vargas would have zero chance against a prime Tony Ayala. Ayala was a mad man in the ring, truly awesome.
     
  11. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Hard fight to pick. I would say Fernando. He fought better guys and he would probably win a late round knockout. Ayala was good ,but Fernando did fight better guys and I think had better skills.
     
  12. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    :lol: If Vargas loses he'd better not get knocked out ass up I'll tell you that. :yep
     
  13. brownshell

    brownshell Active Member Full Member

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    Tony never made past hte prospect stage. He never fought the best of his time because of his crimes. based on what I've seen and know about boxing, I'd have to go with Vargas.
     
  14. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fernando would get FUBAR. Vargas would undoubtedly think he could bang with Tony and that would be a grave mistake.
     
  15. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    if tony kept developing at the pace he was progressing at, he would ko vargas in a brutal fight. it is true that tony never got a chance to face the monsters of his day but he was a true destructive force in the ring and i never saw a hint of weakness in him. i met tony in a social setting and i got the vibe of a real sociopath. he enjoyed inflicting pain and felt no remorse. fernandos whole macho persona would undoubtedly be his downfall as tony would spit in his face if he had to in order to get him to mix it up. once that happened, tony would hammer him into the canvas. tony was the authentic badass that fernando always tried to be.