Prime Tua KO2 Prime Frazier. Discuss.

Which of Frazier's strengths play into Tua's weaknesses?

Which of Tua's strengths play into Frazier's weaknesses?

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I love how Foreman-Frazier is somehow used as an argument FOR Joe Frazier in this mythical matchup. atsch

"Look at how many times Frazier got up! What heart! What a chin! Getting utterly dominated like that by a larger, heavier-handed fighter with a better chin only confirms his invincibility against Tua!"

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But...... but....... Pacquaio stopped better fighters, and more of them!

Let's try another one.

Muhammed Ali:

Archie Moore
Sonny Liston (twice)
Floyd Patterson (twice)
Jerry Quarry
Zora Folley
Oscar Bonavena
Jimmy Ellis
Bob Foster
George Foreman
Ron Lyle

Mike Tyson:

Trevor Berbick
Pinklon Thomas
Tyrell Biggs
Larry Holmes
Tony Tubbs
Michael Spinks
Frank Bruno (twice)
Razor Ruddock
Frans Botha
Andrew Golota


Hey, Ali stopped better fighters, and more of them than Tyson did! Guess Ali hit harder than Tyson, right? Right??? :good

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Getting knocked down five times and stopped in less than two rounds shows how great Frazier's chin was? :rofl

So it's similar to how Wlad's chin and jaw gets all that credit for its showing during the Sanders fight then? atsch

What kind of idiot thinks that it's a clear-cut, FACTUAL CERTAINTY that Foreman punches harder?

Tua is heavier and stockier, and he has many more one-punch KO victories on his record than Foreman does. What can you point to that PROVES Foreman's power is superior? I'll save you the trouble of answering. There's nothing you can point to that shows it. Prime Tua's punching power is not CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY inferior to ANY boxer's in history.

What, like Bert Sugar? The guy whose all-time top 10 heavyweight list looks like this:

1. joe louis
2. muhammad ali
3. jack dempsey
4. jack johnson
5. rocky marciano
6. ezzard charles
7. gene tunney
8. george foreman
9. joe frazier
10. larry holmes

Sure, boxing historians must have all the right answers all the time, they could never be hopelessly biased and generally full of ****. atsch

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Listen you arrogant little shitheel, these are your EXACT words. Are you ready to hear them again?

And as YOU can see, Ali KO'ed better fighters than Tyson did, and more of them. :good

So I use your system that showed Foreman to OBVIOUSLY punch harder than Tua, and used it to prove that Ali OBVIOUSLY punched harder than Tyson.

Am I correct in saying that Ali punched harder than Tyson, or is your equation that "proved" Foreman punched harder than Tua actually worthless?

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One thing to consider - Tua was a better finisher than Foreman. Foreman's career is full of guys getting dropped 2, 3, 4, 5 times before he stops them. Who got dropped more than once against Tua?

Either Tua managed to get you in trouble, or he didn't. If he got you in trouble, he stopped you then and there. Who did Tua stagger or KD and then let off the hook in his career? If he hurts Frazier enough to drop him early, Frazier's undoubted heart and courage aren't automatically going to be enough to get him out of trouble just because he's an ATG.

Frazier was a notoriously slow starter who was known to be vulnerable early. He was shaken early by several opponents and absolutely obliterated by Foreman. If Tua lands clean early in the fight like Foreman did, then Frazier is in a WORLD of trouble.

Frazier comes to trade. But he is a slow starter looking to stand in front of a bigger man who carries a heavier punch, a better chin and a proven ability to deliver big KOs within the first few minutes of a fight. Sometimes within the first few seconds of a fight.

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When have I said that? :huh

Where did I say Frazier has a weak chin? :huh

:think

How the **** would I know? I haven't been punched by either of them. All I know is that they are BOTH on the VERY TOP TIER of punchers in heavyweight history. I wouldn't claim to KNOW FOR CERTAIN that one of them lands their punches with 2% more force than the other. And you know what? NOBODY ELSE does either. atsch

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I do think that. I believe the evidence backs me up. Tua has never been clearly staggered or dropped, and is almost universally considered to have a top 5 ATG heavyweight chin.

You told me that I said Tua punches harder than Foreman. I never said that. You also told me that I said Frazier has a weak chin. I never said that either. Are you reading what I am writing, or are you just assuming that I'm a Frazier hater or a Tua nuthugger and you know everything I'm saying ahead of time?

How many clean punches would Frazier take from Lennox and Ibeabuchi? How many times would he get knocked down?

How keen would Foreman be to stand toe-to-toe with Tua at the start of the fight?

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Yes and at the time you would have said that Tyson didn't have an ideal camp but it wouldn't matter because he's ten levels above Douglas and could never lose to him anyway. Just like everyone else did before the fight. BEFORE the fight.

So...... he never came into a fight distracted or out of shape, but he still managed to get splattered by Foreman in one of the most one-sided title fights in heavyweight history. So this helps his case for being invincible against Tua how, exactly?

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