Prime Tyson and Prime Dempsey

Agree with MuchMoore. Prior to Foremans fight with holyfield, according to boxing register OFFICIAL ring record book george did not beat one ring magazine top ten contender. Which makes me question, how did he get the title shot? 2ndly, the next title chance he got for the vacant WBO heavyweight title...he lost badly to glass jaw tommy morrison. So how in the world after two failed title oppertunities, and no top 10 contenders beaten, did he get a THIRD title shot against michael moorer? Very fishy. Foreman was lucky as hell he got that 3rd shot.

 

And that's what it boils down to in a nutshell. Tyson fought and beat more good fighters in a much shorter timeframe. He had a much better record against top 10 competition, and a much better record in title fights.

 

How could Tyson beat Foreman when he couldn't even beat Buster Douglas or Kevin McBride?

 

You're answering a question with a question - how rude!

In response to the claim that Foreman didn't have the stamina to outlast Ironlung Mike, I asked a simple question: "Who lasted longer against Evander Holyfield - well-conditioned superman Tyson or fat lazy Foreman?"

C'mon, seems simple enough to answer.

 

Sounds like you're describing Buster Douglas in 1990, or Evander Holyfield in 1996.

 

Well you first asked for 10 before you asked for 15. I can only shoot for one set of goalposts at a time.

Let's!

In the last fight of his career.

Ancient, coming out of retirement and off a long layoff.

Pinklon Thomas! Awesome! Within one year of fighting Tyson, Pinky had losses to Trevor Berbick, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, Mike Hunter, and Tommy Morrison. Quite a streak.

An overpuffed nobody whose entire career has revolved around the fact that he fought Tyson. Beat some fat crackheads and washed-up fringe contenders. I'd love to hear someone tout the greatness of Tommy Morrison similarly - "But he beat Razor Ruddock!"

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That isn't a win for Tyson, he flunked his drug test.

How sad is that? A man whose own best career win is over Buster Douglas gets trotted out as one of Tyson's signature wins.

Quite aptly named, this blubberpot. Another stooge with an inflated record who never beat anybody of consequence. How sad was the 80s heavyweight scene when you could manage dull decisions over mediocrities like Bonecrusher Smith and Greg Page and be declared one of Tyson's all-time best opponents?

Frank Bruno is a great pick, especially since he actually got KTFO'd by Bonecrusher Smith.

What was I saying about inflated career records again?

Seriously?

Seriously?

How long can a man coast on the achievement of going 15 rounds with Larry Holmes and not being humiliated?

Well, he did beat Muhammad Ali.

I don't think we really want to pull out our big "in better fashion" ***** when Mr. Foreman went almost as many rounds in one fight with Evander Holyfield as Tyson did in two.

A dozen overrated bums, none of whom could shine the shoes of Foreman victims Joe Frazier or Kenny Norton on the best day of their lives.

Here's the problem - you're trying to sit there with a straight face and say this entire heap of mediocrity somehow surpasses Foreman's clearcut victories over all-time greats. You want to make me believe that a dozen cups of weak coffee are better than 3 cups of good coffee.

These stooges you're boasting about Tyson beating are largely middling contenders with padded records and no wins over significant opposition to speak of. They have a helluva lot more in common with, say, Scott LeDoux and Dino Denis than they do with Joe Frazier.

Of course, Foreman's decisive wins over superior competition are only a side issue here. The important thing to remember is that Mike Tyson wanted no part of George Foreman, even at Foreman's advanced geezerdom. And against prime Foreman? Tyson never sees the 5th round.

 

Buster Douglas was rated # 7 in the world by Ring Magazine when he fought Tyson. HARDLY classifies as journeyman.

 

When you argue with fools; from a distance it becomes increasingly difficult to determine who is who.

You're rebuttals are pretty weak and you still could not come up with 15 names to match Mike Tyson's 15 names.

Come up with 15 names on Foreman's resume on each name include a brief explanation of the caliber of fighter at the time Foreman faced them and I'll do the same. I can guarantee that Tyson's 15 names will outweigh Foreman's 15 names and something tells me you know that as well. Hell we can do a entire separate thread on it and let the classic forum decide on who had the better body of work.

 

Foreman has the BEST win between the two, but arguing that Foreman had the deeper resume is insanity. His attempt of discrediting Tyson's opponents actually made me laugh out loud.

 

Agreed. It is ridiculous. The 1980s alphabet Soup champions were the most talented big men of all time. tyson destroyed them.

 

Oh God...atsch

 

Outside of Bowe/Lennox/Wladimir I certainly dont see the skills in big heavyweights 2000-present that I saw in Tubbs Thomas Page Witherspoon Dokes Weaver Tate Tucker Douglas etc etc. Outside of Bowe/Lennox/Wladimir which heavyweights would you say on film look more talented/skilled than the 1980s alphabet soup champions?

 

Orlin Norris was ranked #6. Francisco Damiani was ranked #4. That's how sad the heavyweight division was - a journeyman like Douglas could climb to the top-10 based on a whopping 6 fight win streak after being KO'd by a guy who didn't even make the top-10 that year.

Michael Dokes was ranked #3 for some reason I just can't understand. His last win of any note was over Tex Cobb in 1985.

 

Foreman has the best THREE wins of the two. Maybe 4.

Tyson has the best video game though. That's not even close.

 

Well I never argued that. Foreman has better signature victories but his body of work is weaker than that of Tyson's.

I too was cracking up because I knew that he had nothing. no comeback.