Prime tyson beats prime holyfield, convince me.

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  1. Prime tyson beats prime holyfield, convince me.

    Well, usually the tyson fans say " prime tyson with ronney in his corner would destroy holyfield" blablabla.
    But honestly i doubt seriously it.
    Prime evander holyfield 89-91 had the chin, the heart, the style,the stamina, the defense,the confidence, the aggressiveness and the sufficient hitting power to give nightmares to prime tyson.really tyson was still good post prison in the years 95-97, he destroyed frank bruno worse than he did in the first fight,he destroyed every rival except evander.
    Of course a prime motivated tyson would fight better than he did in 1996-97, but still i give the edge to a prime evander by ud. I think that holyfield was wrong for tyson in any moment.
    With lewis it would be other history, lewis did not have good chin and tyson was a great finisher, i give to prime tyson great chance to knock lewis out in the first fight, in the rematch i can see lewis fighing very smart and he might win by ud.
     
  2. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He was also physically smaller, more apt to brawl, less of a thinking fighter and easier to drag into a slugfest, all of which would favor Tyson.
    Evander of 1990 wouldnt be tieing up Tyson and walking him back, he would be standing toe to toe and getting smashed just like he did against Bert Cooper Alex Stewart and Riddick Bowe, only Tyson would finish him.
     
  3. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Active Member Full Member

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    two, highly unlikely but possible scenarios
    1. tyson's puncher's chance
    2. holyfield decides to trade shots

    i see holyfield winning just like he did in 96. when he was younger he was more foolish and willing to brawl. this fight will be competitive for more than 5 rounds (which is how long the 96 fight was competitive) but after a certain point it'd end like 96. tyson may stagger his way towards a loss by decision rather than tko. maybe.

    i don't see tyson beating holyfield at any point. holyfield is too good of a boxer and has a good chin that you have to outbox him for sustained rounds which i don't see tyson doing.
     
  4. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    Ive seen it happen on a video game, so I know it could happen in real life.
     
  5. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    Dream fight for sure though, I think it goes the distance with Tyson winning a unanimous dec.
     
  6. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    I'm a big Tyson fan, but I might agree with you on both counts.

    First, the Lewis fight. Absolutely Lewis is KO'ed in the first fight. Tyson comes in, closes the gap between them, lands explosive body/head combos, Lewis out cold.

    Second, Holyfield. I can see Tyson becoming frustrated (an imploding) at his inability to hurt Holyfield, and with Holyfields tenacity.
     
  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I dont know how people can compare Tyson of 96 to the fighter he became in 1988. He was such a far superior fighter in timing, balance, combination punching, fitness, and all around being a better fighter. That in itself would be a huge factor against a more vulnerable Holyfield who was probably better equipped to beat Tyson in 96 and it still took him 10 plus rounds to wear down a Tyson who was probably 60% of his old self.
     
  8. lefthook31

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    Lennox Lewis would have always been more of a physical threat with his reach, power and tenative style, whereas Holyfield was smaller and looked to stand more toe to toe. Lewis would have been more of a threat for prime Tyson in my opinion, although I pick Tyson to beat them both at his best.
     
  9. tyson was not even close to the style of stewart,cooper or bowe.
    cooper was closer to joe frazier, it is because i think that joe had the stamina ,the heart,the power and the pressure style to defeat evander, frazier did the work of demolition slowly, tyson was a fast starter, but his stamina was very poor. evander was stronger,younger and better boxer in the years 90-91 than he was in 96-97, more weight is not = stronger . he weighed 209 of pure muscle when he faced foreman, 212 against stewart,210 pounds against tommas,210 against cooper.
    ,he was much faster, he weighed 215pounds against tyson in 1996, tyson weighed 222 pounds in 1996, prime tyson weighed 216-218. so where is your great difference of size?
    in my mind holyfield would beat tyson always. simple. prime tyson could not finish james tillis, james smith, green,tucker.(i will not mention buster douglas), how might him finish a prime evander who was x 45 better than these guys(with much better chin)?
     
  10. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Right he was a lot better than those fighters and they still made Evander brawl and fight stupid. Tyson's stamina wasnt poor in the 80's either. Evander would not be able to fight a fight like Smith or Tucker, he would be engaging Tyson more, and Tyson's ability to finish and punch in combination would be a big factor. Tyson fought around 218-220 average. Holyfield was juiced up and physically stronger and fought differently in the mid 90's. I dont think the fight resembles anything like their fight in 96.
     
  11. janitor

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    I do think that Holyfield would always have been a bad stylistic card for Tyson.

    Not saying that he could never have won, but there would always have been issues to overcome.
     
  12. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Maybe, but I believe Tyson at his best would have been the worst type of fighter for Evander to engage like he did some of the others. He would not have been let off the hook if he was hurt, Tyson's timing was so good.
     
  13. brickfists

    brickfists The Nonpareil Full Member

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    a prime tyson at his absolute peak beats any fighter that ever lived never mind hollyfield
     
  14. evander holyfield was much better fighter in 89-91 in every department than he was in 96-97 and it is not even debatable . the best tyson weighed 218 against berbick and 216 against holmes, tyson himself said that his best weight was around 217 pounds. sorry but you do not convince me. the arguments in favour of holyfield are more convincing. and everything that james smith might do, holyfield might do better.
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Prime Holyfield wasn't much smaller than the one Tyson met. He averaged around 210, sometimes came in a couple of pounds heavier.

    The older Holy was perhaps a tad bit stronger, but noticeable slower with lesser workrate than his prime self.