Prime Tyson V Prime Joe Louis

Then you lack imagination.

Louis as a puncher is every bit as destructive as Tyson and his area of expertese is using aresive fighters forward motion against them.

How is Tyson going to get away if Louis starts milling him?

Nobody is going to "get away" here and nobodys defence is going to save them from takiong a shed load of punioshment.

 

I can't believe so many people are picking Louis. I thought the classic section was for those who knew boxing.

 

It reflects the fact that people on the classic forum actualy know about fighters who were active before colour television came along.

They know that awsome as Tyson was in his prime it was just a case of history repeating itself.

 

Tyson was better.

 

No he wasnt.

In as much as you can compare them, Louis was a far more complete all round package.

Tyson was almost one dimensional by comparison.

 

Tyson had incredible head movement and an iron chin.

 

Neither is going to work when Louis brings the sub 12" shots to the party.

If Tyson is taking those then he is going to be in the same boat as Louis.

If Louis gets inside and Tyson cant fire back in the available space (as happened against Holyfield) then he is going to be in trouble quickly.

This is going to come down toi a duel with uzi's in a phone booth.

 

Holyfield was able to tie him up effectively.

 

Not just tie him up efectivley but also work inside his punching range.

Tyson only really had one serious weakness and it might surprize you.

He couldnt infight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tyson was only ever really a mid range fighter with short arms.

Louis was one of the best infighters of all time and had similar proportions to Holyfield, but hit a lot harder. Like Holyfield he would be able to beat Tyson at long range (due to reach) and on the inside (due to his compact punching).

For Tyson to win he will have to dictate that the fight takes place at his optimum punching range. Louis of course will try to make sure that he dosnt.

This fight would be verry interesting indeed. Rather than call it now you should be queing up for a ticket.

 

The shitty version of Tyson couldn't infight, but prime Tyson always landed uppercuts and bobbed and landed hooks even at close range.

 

He never quite shortened his punches like Louis and Dempsey though and more crucialy he never learned sustained compact punching.

Louis and Dempsey could throw short punches of 12" or less for the duration of the entire round if the target couldnt get away from them.

Iam sure Cus DaMatto had it in hand but he didnt live long enough to implement this last lesson.

 

Which begs the question,what are you doing here?

 

By todays standard both Marciano and Schmelling are absolutly not elite heavyweight punchers , not even close. Max is no big puncher by ANY means............take away Marcianos wintermittens and his power diminshes GREATLY. I don't expect you to understand, it stands to reason that you never laced them up, not even for fun. How many SKILLED BIG MAN in the 220-250 class did they KO ? lol. How many does Mike have, 20 ?

One more time, was Tyson EVER wobbled , knocked down or flat out KO'ed by under 200 pound fighters ? Easy answer , never. If Louis runs into the same shot Frank Bruno nailed Tyson with while coming in it is by by Louis.Fact.

Louis was never hard to hit while Tyson was very dfficult to get shots on. He is to upright, rarely clinches, stands right in front of you, poor lateral movement , very dentable chin and physiclly weaker. In his entire career he has never fought a two fisted fireball like Tyson who has skill, power , speed and talent in spades. Tyson never had problems slipping BIG mans jabs or getting away from straight rights. This is not some dude straight out of the soup kitchen with no dough , a over the hill German who literally had the entire world against him or a stiff horrible technique clown with a decent punch who all posed in front of him. ANY movement gives Louis fits.

Again, much admiration for Louis and his accomplishments but putting that dinosaur straight out of a time machine against a true modern fighter (and probably next to Ali the most naturally gifted heavyweight ever) in Tyson and Joe is kissing the canvas and stays there.

 

Honestly, Tyson in the 1st or 2nd round. Not a good matchup for Joe, Prime Tyson had brilliant defensive skills, his slipping of punches meant he would find a way inside. Once inside, he had the chin to deal with whatever Louis is throwing at him, for as long as he needs to put The Brown Bomber away....which I suspect wouldn't be very long, even for a man as tough as Louis.

 

As champion Tyson fought 7 men over 220 lbs.
Smith
Tucker
Biggs
Holmes
Tubbs
Bruno x2
Seldon
Smith and Tucker went the distance without being off their feet.
Biggs was tkod.
Holmes, way past his best was stopped
Tubbs was stopped but he was carrying 30lbs of his weight around his guts.
Seldon choked and quit
Bruno was scared to death