Prime Tyson V Prime Joe Louis

Louis never fought anyone big....Well someone never looked up the records.
Primo Carera 260
Max Baer 210 who was considered big for then.
Two ton Toney Gallento 233
Abe Simons 2 x-@254
Buddy Baer 2x 237 and 250

 

Well, if I had my preference as to who I'd rather see win, it would be Joe Louis. Joe is the better fighter by far, but for stylistic reasons, I think he may have some problems here.

 

Not Buster Douglas. :nono If Douglas could survive a knockdown from Tyson, then I'm certain that Joe Louis would.

 

Hey, if you quote me, don't edit the qoute. I wrote that Tyson finished everyone he floored early. You edited that from the quote.

 

People are disregarding Louis's combos and his speed. Also, you guys need tpo watch some film of this man before you even talk about how he would knocked out early!

This fight would be too tough for me to call and i am a 80's baby. You would assume that i am like the rest from my generation that would yell "tyson by knockout" but it aint so.

 

I did and thought "Tyson would knock him the **** out. "

 

So who was the early knockout king Louis or Tyson?

There is a lot of talk here about Tyson scoring an early knockout which implies that he was better than Louis in the early rounds.

Lets see how this asumption stands up to scrutiny.

World class fighters they stopped in the first round

Louis

Stanley Porreda
King Levinsky
Max Schmeling (lineal champion)
John Henry Lewis (lineal champion)
Buddy Baer (bigger than any world class fighter Tyson managed to put away early)
Tami Maurellio

Tyson

Michael Spinks (lineal champion)
Carl Williams
Alex Stewart
Orlin Noris
Bruce Seldon (lay down)

World class fighters they stopped in the second to third round

Louis

Charlie Massera
Lee Ramage
Red Barry
Jack Sharkey (lineal champion)
Nathan Mann
Gus Dorazio

Tyson

Trevor Berbick
Tony Tubbs
Frank Bruno
Andrew Golotta

Conclusion

There are no grounds for saying that Mike Tyson was more efective at finishing oponents in the early rounds than Joe Louis. They are about opn a par and Louis might just be a bit better.

 

tysons right over louis left, k.o in 3.

 

I don't have to look up the records................I happen to know about those guys and the ONLY reason those guys get ever mentioned is to support the old timers argument. The only one out of your sample who can box a bit is Primo, the rest are cannonfoddrr by todays standards.

Lets turn the tables, if you would transfer your list of big oafs out of a time machine to fight the top dogs in the division, currently WK/VK, it would create a public outrage.......HBO would never fund those fights, no way no how. Insert Tyson or Louis here and you have a blockbuster. Get my drift ? Do you think the phrase"bum of the month" was a compliment boxing commenators gave Joe ?

 

I dont think you have "thought" much at all about this matchup.

 

Louis may have had the best corner the sport has ever seen. And they always had their guy ready and scrutinized opponents. Tyson had guys that held the spit bucket and collected checks. Huge huge advantage for Louis and just how often do the great corners get beat by the woefully inferior ones?

 

Don't think many will agree with you that Rooney did no more than so.

 

What great tactics and preperations did the trainer Rooney do for that Smith fight? A wide swinging 1dimensional guy with a zero gastank as opposition. Smith was badly outboxed for 9 rounds by Bruno and had those Frazier/Witherspoon 1/Holmes/bouts for his what, 20 fights? A way to beat the guy had already been established, it wasn't as if Rooney had a force to break down.

Any great trainer should be able to cope with the tools of a Bonecrusher Smith, right? It's hardly insurmountable & Tyson held every advantage possible except physical strength.

 

And what does it many that Louis was out-thought by Schmeling? That Louis's corner wasn't any good? His tactics weren't quite spot on for Conn or Walcott either, were they?

There's always going to exist such instances to point to. What matters is that both Louis and Tyson had good corners in Blackburn and Rooney.