Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali

Lennoxian · Aug 1, 2011

I agree with everything except the "cheating" vs Cooper, the point is Cooper is just awfully bad. And so was Sonny Banks.

SRCP · Aug 1, 2011

FJAY360 said: ↑

Its clearly true
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That's the biggest bs I've ever heard. Sounds like a fairy tale.

SRCP · Aug 1, 2011

FJAY360 said: ↑

He (Atlas) talked about Mike and told a few stories of how he believed Mike never had that internal confidence or fortitude to be the great fighter he should have been.
The one story was when Mike was 16 and was engaged in an amatuer fight with a big white kid. Up to this point, in his amatuer career, he was killing everyone. Just one knockout after another. But in this fight Mike knocked the kid down twice in the first round. However, unlike his previous opponents the kid kept getting up. After the 1st round had ended he went back to his corner and told Teddy to stop the fight because his hand was broken. Teddy said that he knew it wasn't and feared that Mike was playing games. But he had to see if it was broke just in case. So he grabbed Mikes hand and squeezed it as hard as he could. Mike didn't even flinch. He continued to stare over Teddy's shoulder at his opponent. Atlas told Mike that 'your hand ain't broke, you're broke'. He could tell that Mike was scared. Up till now, everyone stayed down but this kid was game. Even though his opponent refused to stay down Mike was still easily winning the fight and he told Mike this.

Tyson begrudgingly went out for round two. Mike dropped him twice more in this round but once again, the kid kept getting up. So at the end of the round, Mike again sits down and tells Atlas to stop the fight because he's exhausted and he's going to get killed. Atlas got very angry at this point. He started yelling at Mike that he wasn't even getting hit. All of this kids shots were either missing or winging off of Mikes gloves and shoulders. He said that if he were the ref he'd have stopped the fight a long time ago because Mike was busting him up.

But he could tell that Mike was scared. Because this kid wasn't playing the role of the helpless lamb, he didn't know how to handle it. Eventually, Atlas had to grab Mike and literally shove him back into the ring to get him to fight.

The 3rd round starts and Mike and his opponent are just hugging each other. Neither one is punching just mauling. But then, at one point, the white kid is pushing Mike against the ropes and Atlas sees that Mike is going to go down - just like in the McBride fight, Teddy points out. Atlas jumps on the edge of the canvas and yells at Mike "Don't you do what I think you're going to do!". Eventually the bell rang and Mike got the "W" but like Atlas pointed out, he was going to tank the fight simply because this kid was standing up to him and he'd never experienced that before.
Atlas said that the same thing kind of happened in the Tucker and Bonecrusher fights. Mike was winning both fights easily until about the 5th and 6th rounds, when he realised that neither guy was going to just take a shot and lay down, so he decided to accept what Teddy called "silent treaties". A silent treatie is when both fighters clinch and silently agree to not throw punches. Kind of like "I won't hit you if you don't hit me". Atlas said that both Tucker and Bonecrusher didn't mind agreeing to these because they didn't want to get hurt.
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:rofl:rofl:rofl What a load of bull****.

slip&counter · Aug 1, 2011

I look at it a different way.

Prime Ali (Cleveland Williams, Folley, Terrel) beats Prime Tyson (Bruno 1, Tubbs, Spinks)

Past Prime Ali (Foreman, Frazier III, Lyle) beats past prime Tyson (Lennox, Golota, Botha).

Washed up Tyson (Ettiene, McBride, Danny Williams) beats Washed up Ali (Spinks, Holmes, Berbick).

simon850 · Aug 1, 2011

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It would be a replay of the Lennox/Tyson fight.

In that fight, Mike was so past it that he didn't have the speed and mobility to get inside and bust Lennox up anymore. He was just too old and out of shape.

Effectively, it would have been that same way with Ali. The difference in mobility would have been gigantic.

Mike was quick with head movement, at getting inside and bobbing and weaving through punches.

Ali was quick enough to keep you out of position, and while you were trying to catch up, he was jabbing you in the face....then moving again.

Just like with Lennox, Mike gets frustrated when the opponent is not intimidated and once he realizes that he isn't going to walk through a guy... Mike starts to struggle.

At that point, Ali takes over the fight.

As for surviving the knockdown and coming back swinging, Ali had that kind of chin, heart and ability, as you can see here after Frazier drops him with his legendary left hook:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLWYnTFz9PE
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:deal

dannyboy147 · Aug 2, 2011

Tyson v Marciano would have been a great fight!

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