Prime Tyson vs Prime Frazier

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Me thinks Tyson was taking PED's throughout his career....
     
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  2. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    16 years of age is too early to build up big muscles with steroids or without. And Tyson wasn't known as a hardcore body builder at that time, anyway, he might have trained some, but for the most part it was genetics.
     
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  3. heavy_handss

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    you know that tyson was a fat boy by genetics? he trained like mad from monday to sunday to get his athletic body. tyson was a kid who developed his body very early, just like foreman they looked alpha male at 20, but it does not mean that if he weighed 190 at 16 he will increment his weight forever.. he was developed at 16, and he was in perfect shape at 198 pounds in the amateurs at 18 in 1984. HE HAD TO ADD MUSCLE IN HIS PROFFESSIONAL CAREER BECAUSE THERE ARE NO LIMIT IN THE HW DIVISION, IF NOT TYSON WOULD HAVE FOUGHT IN THE SUPER HW DIVISION IN THE AMATEURS LIKE FOREMAN(226 POUNDS AT 18-19),BOWE(216 AT 22) OR LEWIS(220 POUNDS AT 23) DID, BUT TYSON WAS NOT THAT BIG
     
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  4. Wass1985

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    In two years Tyson had put on over 20lbs of muscle by the time he fought Berbick, me smell something fishy. He was using drugs just like most boxers of those times.
     
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  5. Senya13

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    I haven't seen examples of fully developed 16-year-old bodybuilders, not one. If he was 195 lbs of muscles at that age, he could get close to 250 lbs of muscles had he decided to do serious training. I can't imagine Joe Frazier being that huge as a bodybuilder.
    Craig Payne was the super hw national GG champion in 1983, Tyson fought him that year and didn't look small compared to Payne. The video is available on youtube. I'd conclude that Tyson fought him at super hw.
     
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  6. Wass1985

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    Why do you keep saying 16? Tyson wasn't 16 when he fought Tillman. Tyson wasn't a bodybuilder though he was an athlete.
     
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  7. heavy_handss

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    tyson never fought at super hw in the amateurs, he fought at hw, under 200 pounds, cus damato wanted him fast, not a pork.
    Nobody is talking about if tyson could increment easily his musculature, i am talking about natural weight.. Sometimes the people think that if a guy has not fat he is in his best weight... A bodybuilder has no fat.. And still he is overweight... The frame of tyson was not bigger than frazier´s.. Simply tyson got ripped more easily. And stop dreaming.. Tyson was a tank at 220 i can´t imagine him at 250, he was not ronnie coleman
     
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  8. heavy_handss

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    well said
     
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  9. Senya13

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    The quote I saw said he was 195 pounds at 16 years of age, that's why. And Craig Payne was the national GG super hw champion in 1983, how could Tyson fight him at hw division?
     
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  10. heavy_handss

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    1983 National Golden Gloves Heavyweight Finalist. Results: Ronald Williams - RSC 1 Andrew Stokes - RSC 3 Mike Bardwell - RSC 1 ****** Thompson - W 3 Craig Payne - L 3


    SOURCE BOXREC.... THEY FOUGHT AT HW
     
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  11. Senya13

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    Source: ABC statistician Bob Yalen quoted in Reg Gutteridge and Norman Giller's book. Can quote page numbers if necessary tomorrow. I'm done for today, it's midnight.

    1981
    Region I Junior Olympics at Queens, New York.
    unknown opponent W-RSC1 (at +178 lb)

    National Junior Olympics at Colorado Springs
    Jesus Esparza W-RSC1
    Randy Wesley W-RSC1
    Joe Cortez W-RSC1 Won +178 lb Title.


    1982
    Junior Olympics Regionals at Syracuse
    Tito Llanes W-RSC1 (at +178 lb)

    National Junior Olympics at Colorado Springs
    Jonathan Littles W-RSC2
    Dan Cozad W-RSC1
    Kelton Brown W-RET1 Won +178 lb Title.

    Region I USA/ABF Tournament at Boston
    Kilbert Pierce W-PTS3 (at +201 lb)

    US Amateur Championships at Indianapolis
    Al Evans L-RSC3 (at +201 lb)


    1983
    Western Massachusetts Golden Gloves at Holyoke
    Jimmy Johnson W-KO1 (at +201 lb)

    New England Golden Gloves at Lowell
    Jim Rayborn W-PTS3 Won +201 lb Title.

    New York State Golden Gloves at Utica
    Walkover in finals at +201 lb.

    National Golden Gloves Championships at St. Louis
    Ronald Williams W-RSC1
    Andrew Stokes W-RSC3
    Mike Bardwell W-RSC1
    War-ren Thompson W-PTS3
    March Craig Payne L-PTS3 (at +201 lb)-Finals.

    Ohio State Fair at Columbus
    Jeff Goff W-KO1
    Olian Alexander walkover Won 201 lb Title.

    US Junior Amateur Championships at Colorado Springs
    David Yonko W-RSC1
    Mark Scott W-RSC1 Won +201 lb Tide.

    USA vs. West Germany International at Lake Placid
    September 16 - Peter Geier W-RET1

    New England Amateur Championships at Lake Placid
    October 22 - unknown opponent WON (at +201 lb)

    US Amateur Championships at Colorado Springs
    November - Kimmuel Odom L-DISQ2 (at+201 lb)


    1984
    National Golden Gloves Championships at St. Louis
    April - Roger Pepel WON
    April - Derek Isaman WON
    April - Johnny Williams W-RSC1
    April - Richard Johnson W-RSC3
    April 21 - Jonathan Littles W-RSC1 Won 201 lb Title.

    US Olympic Trials at Fort Worth
    June - unknown opponent W-PTS3
    June - Henry Milligan W-RSC2
    June 10 - Henry Tillman L-PTS3 (at 201 lb) Final

    US Olympic Box-Offs at Las Vegas
    July 7 - Henry Tillman L-PTS3

    Empire State Games at Syracuse
    August 18 - Winston Benton W-RSC Won 201 lb Title

    US Junior Amateur Championships at Lake Placid
    August 23 - Kelton Brown W-RSC1 Won 201 lb Title

    International Tournament in Tampere, Finland
    September - Hakan Brock WON +201 lb Title
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

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    when did i call vitlay an atg? stfu little girl.
     
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  13. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    ^^^RIght here, FUKKWIT
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

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    where does it say vitali is an atg? ******s these days.
     
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  15. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Azzer quoted...

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    Inbreeding is certainly obvious in your family.
     
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