Prime Tyson vs Prime Frazier

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On February 28, 2007, Holyfield was anonymously linked to Applied Pharmacy Services, a pharmacy in Alabama that is currently under investigation for supplying athletes with illegal steroids and human growth hormone (HGH). He denies ever using performance enhancers.[36]

Holyfield's name does not appear in the law enforcement documents reviewed. However, a patient by the name of "Evan Fields" caught investigators' attention. "Fields" shares the same birth date as Holyfield—October 19, 1962. The listed address for "Fields" was 794 Evander, Fairfield, Ga. 30213. Holyfield has a very similar address. When the phone number that, according to the documents, was associated with the "Fields" prescription, was dialed, Holyfield answered.[37]

On March 10, 2007 Holyfield made a public announcement that he would be pursuing his own investigation into the steroid claims in order to clear his name.[38]

Holyfield was again linked to HGH in September 2007, when his name came up following a raid of Signature Pharmacy in Orlando, Florida.[39] As of September 2007[update], Signature Pharmacy is under investigation for illegally supplying several professional athletes with steroids and HGH.[40]

 

Not exactly. I'm picking Tyson because Frazier was a slow starter, easy to hit, and an overall stylistically favorable matchup for Tyson.

You're picking Tyson because you are a member of Mikey's fan club and would pick him against anybody.

Tyson is far from perfect and had his weaknesses. Frazier just doesn't have the ability to exploit them.

 

PEDS or not Holyfield was just an average puncher at heavyweight

 

Man it really irritates me when I see people conferring ATG status to Frazier. Frazier is vastly overrated.

1. He was never the best heavyweight in the world at any point. At least with Tyson you could say from about 1986-1989 was the best heavyweight in the world.

2.Frazier is 1-4 against great fighters. His one claim to fame was that he beat a rusty Ali. Even in that sole win he took the worst of the damage having his face grotesquely swollen up from all the punches he took. Foreman obliterated him twice. The rest of his record his filled with mostly bums and average fighters. His best win are against Quarry and Ellis who are very far from ATG status.

3. He struggled badly with average/mediocre fighters. The crude Firpo clone Bonavena almost knocked him out, he needed the late rounds to wear down the fat bum Buster Mathis, he barely beat Joe Bugner.

4. He was a slow starter, it took him several rounds to "start smoking". Good for Tyson who was a notorious fast starter.

5. He was easy to hit. A dream for power puncher like Mike Tyson.

6. He was a one arm puncher. Only the left was dangerous, the right wasn't something to worry about.


6. Frazier only had 37 fights compared with 58 for Tyson. Which again shows he was an easy target to the head, that's why his career was over so quickly.
Had he fought the pre exile Ali who wasn't severally physically dimished and rusty and lost would anybody consider him an ATG? Not likely.

In short Mike Tyson being the bigger, faster, two handed puncher, more dynamic skillset, better chin, superior combination puncher and overall more talented boxer would crush Frazier within a few rounds.

I don't think Frazier could beat David Tua let alone Tyson.
I'll make it clear again I'm not a fan of Tyson at all, he has his weaknesses. None if which Frazier can expose.

 

Folks can be biased & overrate Tyson.

Then there is the reactionary opposing view.

Tyson was amongst the most dominating HW ever for several years.
He was imperfect, but Ali had even more glaring imperfections, & may be the GOAT. A fighter is more than the sum of his parts.

We had a detailed thread here not long ago, & no good objections were given to the case, made in great detail, that peak Tyson's cmpetition was pretty good.
Measuring their success & often how long unbeaten before &/or after him.

Most ANY HW especially can be made to look irrationally bad by focusing only on the bad & tearing apart their resume. Louis "bum of the month" club, even Ali did not have great (decent, about as good as Tyson's) competition AT his peak!

Holyfield had a very good resume, though not great after 30, & a bit inconsistent.
Louis had a very good resume, but had 2 near peak stoppages against him.
Even him you can pick apart how primo they were then, performances against a fat Mercer, etc...

No, at his PEAK Tyson was amongst the best. That many were intimidated does not mean that they were not legitimate wins against quality guys. And do not just point to the lower quality guys: even Ali/everyone has some.

He totaled guys of varying, often excellent quality, many in a concentrated period of time. Most do not say the Holmes win means a lot, but neaither do we mark Marciano & Holmes down for beating MORE past it ATGs.

You are in Outer Space if'n you done thunk Berbick, Green, Thomas, Smith, Ribalta, Spinks & others were bums! Especially when he fought them.

 

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/796919-top-10-most-overrated-fighters-of-all-time/page/12

You just plagiarized someone else's article. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't even generate your own opinions? Wow.

Anyways Frazier was on that list as well.

Yeah Tyson is overrated but its not because he is as bad as Frazier. It's because many see him as top 5 all time which he isn't, I have him somewhere around 10-13. He's still better than Frazier though. Tyson would find Joe's chin and brutally knock him out.

 

then you should have at least cited it.

 

No you plagiarized because you thought you were slick and no one would catch you. The fact that you had to plagiarize and defer to someone else's opinion tells me you are either too lazy or dumb (maybe both) to formulate your own opinions.

I don't think you understand the concept of what overrated means. Overrated is just when popular opinion has a guy ranked higher than what he really was. Doesn't mean they weren't great. Tyson could very well be one of the most overrated boxers in history but that doesn't mean he wasn't better than Joe Frazier.

 

he was. he beat patts and ellis to become that, and put it beyond doubt by beating ali.