Prime Tyson vs Prime Joe Louis

I would just add, I still say joe is the better boxer overall, but head to head, I don't see Louis winning and surviving a prolonged amount of big shots from a guy like tyson.

 

Probably between 15 and 20lb weight advantage for Tyson prime for prime. Thats alot when you have two evenly matched and skilled fighters.

 

Eerrmm?

http://youtu.be/R78hdxpRfws

PS to those who keep spouting this supposed 20lb difference in weight? My favourite performance by Mike was against Mitch Green and Tyson weighed 215? My favourite Louis performance was against Buddy Baer and Joe was 207 for that one? That's an 8 lb difference not 20?? Against Larry Holmes Tyson was 214? Which is 7 lbs? Picky I know but it makes me laugh when people just keep throwing up this 20lbs of extra bulk thing

 

please my man... don´t be partial and biased... you know that i like you, you are a master... but you know perfectly that the average weight of tyson was around 217 pounds during his prime, he fought at 215-216 a few times , but usually he weighed 217.218,219 and even weighed 220 pounds in perfect shape, joe louis weighed even under 200 pounds and he was 6´2, tyson was 5´10, louis weighed between 197-207 his average weight was 200 pounds, tyson weighed between 215-221, his average weight was around 217. tyson was much bigger, and mike did not weight 214 pounds for the holmes fight, he weighed 215 1/2

 

poor chin, slow footwork, low guard, knocked out by a cruiser, could be outboxed by small men ... yes the most complete for sure.

 

gud post (gud analysis init)

 

There was no fighter more highly skilled than Louis. This is among the reasons he is universally ranked in the top two all time and top 10 all time pound for pound. One of it's hardest punchers, greatest combination puncher, greatest boxer/puncher, one of boxings fastest fists. Unlike Tyson Joe Louis never quit no matter how tough the fight became.

 

sorry in which fight did Tyson quit exactly?

and the post you wrote can also easily apply to Tyson

 

It is nitpicking but Louis won the title at what 202? Fought Conn at 199? Point he was around 200lbs at his peak. Tyson was usually in the range of 215 to 220. Hence the 15 to 20lb weight edge for Tyson.

Louis did fight heavier as he got older and slower but then again so did Tyson.

 

I used the Louis-Budd Baer/Tyson-Mitch Green example because they were my favourite performances by each and I tend to use my favourite performance versions for these type of match ups so for the purpose of my fantasy match-up there is an 8 pound difference come fight time - NOT A 20 POUND ONE :good. As long as that's ok with you of course? :roll:

 

Very good fight to watch, but I think it goes to Tyson.

They are actually very very comparable fighters... but I think Tyson has the edge in Chin and obviously the edge in head movement.

A stationary target with a unstable chin vs Mike Tyson

A low gas tank fighter with an unstable mind vs Joe Louis.

Which sounds more likely to beat the other to you?

 

Yes Tyson could slip shots but he was essentially a lazy easy to frustrate guy who had it drilled into him to slip but I tend to think that, as alluded to by someone else on an earlier post, more often than not he would walk into punches - whether that's because he wasn't worried about them or not?
But then once he walked into a couple too many he would begin with his incessant peek a boo side to side head thingy for a few seconds so his defence didnt look too bad (and I get the feeling he would do it late in exchanges because he was being reminded by a screaming Kevin Rooney - often times he's walking straight up - this happens in endless fights, even in the early days (see the Steve Zouski fight as an example - Zouski hit hit quite a bit and without any real difficulty), and then later against other better names (like Tillis and also at times against Ribalta he was hit because he was in too much of a rush - one of the reasons he was so easy to tie up aswell.
I could see Louis punishing Tyson errors like that and when Tyson starts to be countered by power like Louis' it's only going to exacerbate how disorganised Tyson could become

 

Good summing up.

 

This is a tough one to pick decisively but I'll take the safe road and say Tyson early or Louis late. Tyson's best chance would obviously be to go out and open up right from the opening bell and try to overwhelm Louis and ko him early. If he doesn't then I could certainly see Louis methodically discouraging and stopping Mike late. I keep reading how some think Mike is stronger than Joe but I'm not so sure about that. Tyson for all his power was relatively easy to tie up and push back, maybe due in part to his squared up stance. I watched the film of Louis/Carnera and noted that Joe would spin the 260lb Carnera in the clinches on more than a few occassions so I don't think Louis would necessarily be the weaker opponent here. Plus with modern cameras and up close angles in HD color, fighters tend to look alot bigger than they might really be which could tend to cloud our judgement a bit. Either man could certainly win this match due to thier relative strengths...But each could lose due to thier relative weaknesses as well. Maybe it boils down to the one who can exploit the other's weaknesses first.

 

THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE CARNERA, JESS WILLARD.. HAHAHA LAUGHABLE..:tired