prime tyson vs prime marciano

Will someone please tell me what the **** "athletisism" means?

Is it not deductive reasoning that if one is proficient in an athletic endeavor they are possessed of this mythical asset? And the moreso they are proficient, the moreso they possess the selfsame?

 

old louis never had the great peak SNAP in his punch. This SNAP had diminished and therefore the poor KO ratio as an old fighter. Best time Marciano coulda fought him - he's very lucky in that way. Tyson by early stoppage in this one - bigger and quicker.

 

If Tyson doesn't get Rocky out reasonably early, then Marciano will get him late. If Mike throws his best punches and doesn't KO Rocky, then it's liable to psychologically effect him as the fight wears on, while Rocky grows more confident and thus intensifies his attack. Honestly, I kind of like Marciano in this one. As powerful as Tyson is, Rocky had that look which basically said he was going to beat you one way or the other.

 

It's hard to see Rocky getting knocked out, especially since it never happened. He just had this "unbeatable" aura about him. He always found a way to win, even when the fight was in jeopardy. (The first Walcott fight and the second Ezzard Charles fight are perfect examples.)

I'd give this one to Mike. Suppose Rocky could take Tyson's blows, we gotta remember that Rocky had a tendency to cut. Rocky would stand right in front of Mike, which isn't smart.

I'm certain that Mike would counter punch Rocky's wild swings and have him laying on his back very, very early in the fight. I don't see any way Rocky wins this. Tyson just has too many advantages here. (Speed, power, punching accuracy, size, etc)

Tyson wins by blowout early in the fight. But if Rocky could survive the first 4 rounds, (which I don't see happening) he's gonna knock Mike out.

 

Marciano is basicly a cruiserweight and a very good one mabey even the best.
Tyson being a heavyweight is bigger and stronger. He is also faster than Marciano.
I like Tyson early in this match up. Marciano has a very good chin so I think he survives the first round or two. Marciano tends to be underrated as far as boxing skills goes, but I don't see him landing too many shots on Tyson who is one of the most elusive boxers at heavyweight. Tyson also has a very good chin himself. Tyson also dose not waste punches so there is no real chance that he is going to punch himself out. If Tyson can't knockout Marciano yes he might get frustrated but he will still win a clear cut victory on points. look at the fights in which Tyson was "frustrated" in his prime than look at the score cards.

 

No I believe his poor KO ratio was due to him fighting Young ranked defensive oriented fighters who stayed away from him. Jimmy Bivins was too defensive and had a great chin, a man like that doesnt get knocked out. Cesar Brion was Young, ranked, had a rock chin, and was defensive. thats hard fighter to knock out. Omelio Agramonte was Young great footwork and very defense, another hard fighter to knock out. Louis still managed to catch Agramonte with a right hand and put him down for a 9 count in the rematch.

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. That includes Pat Valentino and Nino Valdez in exhibition matches. Louis always had natural power in his fists, power that doesnt suddenly go away...In terms of brute power...Louis punches at 6'2 215lb were going to have alot of effect on Sub 200lb men.

 

Tyson was wicked and on fire in '86 thru 1989..................... Between his title winning KO over Berbick up to his one hook shot KO over Carl "The Lie" Williams, Tyson was a destroyer........... Tyson by early KO over "The Rock."

MR.BILL

 

Louis was still a good puncher at 37 but he wasn't a great one.
My point was Marcianos chin was never tested against a big, hard puncher, like a Lewis, Ruddock, Foreman etc.

He proved he had a solid chin but how solid is the only question, was it top 10 of all time or top 35?

 

I agree there!

Good Point. we don't know. I always thought judging from the Layne and Louis footage compared to Moore and Walcott footage that marciano was more susceptible to fast pinpoint shots that came out of nowhere, than heavy handed club blows that marciano was durable enough to take. Since Tyson had a combination of both power and Pinpoint accuracy, it would spell bad news for the Rock..but rocky was a better inside fighter than mike with his leverage and he would get off a couple solid blows on mikes noggin and make mike really push for this well earned victory.

 

walcott and moore couldn't finish what they started but tyson would. Too much speed and power for marciano to contend with. Tyson by ko in 2.

 

Marciano breaks Tyson down and knocks him out and loses surprisingly few rounds

 

Just curious what did they start? a Flash knockdown for 2 seconds? hardly anything to buzzz about

 

I just watched Moore beat up Jimmy Slade over 10 rds in ST. Louis from '52.... Moore and Slade both weighed at or near 180 pounds..... Moore schooled Slade for 10 rds..... Slade was game, but too green to mess with Moore........... Archie Moore was ripped like a juicer, but I know he was clean......... Moore was great..... But his fighting range really was best suited between 175 to 190 pounds at best..... Moore, like Bob Foster, would not do well with big heavies at 200 + pounds........ I'm not talkin' bout a "Lummox" heavyweight either; I'm talkin' bout a man with skills........ Peace...

MR.BILL

 

I'll side with Tyson if Marciano is time machined into 1988; Tyson born into Rocky's day, it could go either way.

 

I'd favour Tyson via early stoppage.