Prime Tyson vs Wladimir Klitschko

I literally skimmed through this thread and haven't found one credible argument for Wlad beating a prime Tyson. Literally not ONE.

Prime Tyson from 86-88 under Kevin Rooney absolutely destroys any version of Wlad Klitschko. Wlad is obviously a better heavyweight due to his longevity, I don't even rank Tyson in the top 10 HW's of all time... but styles make fights. Tyson is all wrong for Wlad. Power, speed, chin, aggression and combination punches would fold Wlad like a lawn chair. One of the reasons why Douglas was so successful against Tyson was due to his long range uppercut and feints which he tried utilizing against Holyfield only to get countered and KO'd. I've never seen Wlad throw an uppercut in my life. Once Tyson slips Wlad's jabs, I really don't see how Wlad deals with Tyson's inside fighting... and again, I'm talking about prime Tyson too who threw hooks to the body and head with educated pressure, not the seek and destroy non head movement 1 hitter quitter hitman that was post prison Tyson. Even then, I give that version of Tyson a punchers chance.

 

If a prime WK is still standing mid rounds he then becomes favourite to win. But if you examine the dire performance that Spinks (for example) put in there is no chance Klitschko freezes and performs like that. Pre Steward Klitschko was way more open and might be a different story. Sanders that night may have given Tyson a fright also with his southpaw speed and tnt. Sanders is the only real career black mark in a very long reign.

 

actually that is exactly the performance he put in against a much weaker opponent. for the life of me i dont know why you need reminding of it,i tihnk you must surely know it and just write lies anyway.

 

whats the problem with just accepting wlads better qualities in which he trumps tyson, like longevity and commitment, training, management, promotion, media image and athleticism.

Why not cherish these values instead of needing to invent a mythic H2H value as well? do wlads good attributes not satisfy you? Monzon fans dont feel the need to pretend he was some angel.


You dont hear tysons fans shouting "YEH TYSON HAD BETTER LONGEVITY THAN ALI!!"

You'll never hear Johnson fans yelling that Jack had a great media image and was a great role model, against all the evidence

You dont hear Ali fans pretending he was a good husband, or wasnt abusive to his fellow boxers.

You never hear Marciano fans claiming that Marciano won the title younger than Joe Louis.

Theres no need for lies! Just be happy with what wlad offers.

 

Yes I know Klitchko struggled with a much slower , weaker and highly less skilled Peter.

Mr. Straw man I'll just end it there BC there's literally no one like Tyson around in the Klitchko era...save the book report I ain't reading it.....

 

Look at the poll and ask yourself who is the thick one?

Beyond that you have to match the fighters based on who they fought...and how they react to punches. You are not smart enough to do this...

In the end there's literally no one on Tyson's resume besides Lewis one could have favored over Klitchko at any point under steward or the Klitchko that fought Joshua...your lack of any substance here isn't shocking.

Klitchko was never up on the scorecards against Joshua either, he lost the first 5 rounds ..learn to score fights. On top of that even the Fury's said Joshua was getting a more prepared Klitchko....if you actually watched the fight you would have known what the differences were you fool!

You are basically a dart board on here or a cheap hooker that every one takes turns on and you get picked apart on here daily...do you like the punishment ?

 

He said this not so long after the Lennox Lewis fight. Not a 2018 type of quote.

 

The fix was already in regarding the scorecards.....most observers had Klitschko ahead over the overhyped Juiceua.....even SKY pundits had Klitschko up.

You are a cuckold and a complete embarrassment on here.....Trey Morrison being better than Usyk springs to mind.

 

Joshua has fought 1 guy of substance in Klitschko and went life and death.

Klitchko was beaten more convincingly by Brewster, Sanders and Fury....than anything AJ produced.

 

Have to disagree. Prime Mike mauls Wlad, it's too much for him

 

He said Rhonda beats him 15 years ago???

 

Prime Tyson destroys Wlad within 10 seconds. Wlad will panic as soon as he hears the first bell and sees Tyson heading his way, it will be deer in the headlights time, it will be Corrie Sanders time!

Against Vitali though, it will be a different fight, I think there would be some exciting exchanges early on which Tyson will get the better of, but after about round 4 or 5, it will be a slow, punishing death for Tyson, and Vitali probably inflicts a late KO on him. Too big, too strong, chin too solid.

 

Sorry, don't understand what you're saying, the Lennox Lewis fight was in 2002 and he made the Ronda Rousey comment sometime in the last 3 years.

 

Not only would the Klitschkos be Tyson's TALLEST opponents, but the Klitschko's never even fought a SMALLER opponent than Tyson.

Mike Tyson never showed any greater 'skills' or abilities against boxers close to Wladimir Klitschko's size than Samuel Peter did. And Samuel Peter is absolutely 'stronger' than Mike Tyson.

And what about Mike Tyson's greater struggles against inferior out-side boxers like Buster Douglas compared to Wladimir Klitschko? Or his struggles against another inferior out-side boxer in James Tillis compared to Wladimir Klitschko?

No, no one was around the size of Mike Tyson during Klitschko's era because Mike Tyson's size became insufficient for anybody to have, in order to DOMINATE the heavyweight division since 2000's or the late 1990's. It might be a difficult pill to swallow, but it's just the truth!

And Alexander Povetkin > Mike Tyson!

 

Your opinion of the fight doesn't matter. Only official results / outcomes matter. And according to the official outcome, the fight between Mike Tyson and Andrew Golota was a no contest. Ergo, that fight doesn't count. I only count official results.

Who claimed Mike Tyson only stopped one opponent who was taller than 6 foot 3 inches in Lou Savarese?

You either have reading comprehension problems or you are deliberately misrepresenting my argument.

The claim was:

Mike Tyson only stopped one opponent taller than 6 foot 3 inches that had a lower than 25% of losses out of their career record. Go ahead and check the stats for yourself if you like! The only other heavyweights Mike Tyson stopped that were taller than 6 foot 3 inches were bums. I.E. Boxers who had 25% losses or more out of their career record. It's not that difficult to understand! Nor is it too difficult to understand WHY. The ability to land knockout punches on such taller opponents, especially skilled ones get more and more difficult as opponents get taller, or taller + skilled.

Even the bums (boxers with 25% or more losses out of their career record) that Mike Tyson stopped who were taller than 6 foot 3 inches. Mike Tyson usually took the longest to stop them compared to other heavyweights.

Let's take Jose Ribalta as an example:

The longest Tyson ever needed to KO someone was ·[url]Jose Ribalta[/url], a 39-17 bum. Tyson needed 10 rounds against this china-chinned featherfist.

In fact Jose Ribalta was so chinny that NOBODY (of the 8 other opponents who KO'ed Ribalta) needed that long.

Jose Ribalta

• was KO'ed within 4 rounds by Chris Byrd
• was KO'ed within 2 rounds by Vitali Klitschko.
• was even KO'ed by 0-1 cruiser Ricardo Richardson 188 lbs.

Only Tyson needed 10 rounds.


The second longest KO came against ·[url]Tyrell Biggs[/url]. It's astonishing that the oh-so-devastating Mike needed 7 rounds (2:59 in the 7th round) to KO someone

• as inexperienced as Biggs (15-0 at bout)
• who additionally was said to be an alcoholic and to have a cocaine problem
• who was a bum (30-10)
• and also a china-chinned featherfist

What was the reason for these slowest KOs of Tyson's career? Again, there is 1 feature that unites them both: Biggs and Ribalta were > 6'3'' thus too tall for Mike to play out his signature punches.

Even Larry Donald KO'ed Tyrell Biggs in 2 rounds and Lennox Lewis did in 3 rounds.



If you want to claim Mike Tyson will better Samuel Peter's and Lamon Brewster's performances. Then likewise, Wladimir Klitschko will even more significantly better the performances of all the tall boxers (taller than 6 foot 3 inches) that Mike Tyson struggled against.

That includes: Tony Tucker, Mitch Green, Bonecrusher Smith and most importantly, Buster Douglas.

In other words: The correct question that should be asked is…

What makes you think that Mike Tyson could
survive a Klitschko?

Mike Tyson hasn't proven he is better against boxers of Wladimir Klitschko's size (Mike Tyson has never faced anybody as tall) than Samuel Peter or Lamon Brewster have. So there's no reason to assume Tyson would better Peter's or Brewster's performances against Wladimir Klitschko.

Wladimir Klitschko's KO'ers (RoCoLa) are not comparable to Tyson (size, weight, stance, reach) while at the same time Tyson's KO'ers _ARE_ comparable to Klitschko (size, weight, reach, stance, experience).


Also, Mariusz Wach would pose a greater threat to Wladimir Klitschko than Mike Tyson. Mariusz Wach arguably has greater punching power than Mike Tyson (Mike Tyson couldn't even bother or put a dent on Kevin McBride with multiple of his best punches whilst Wach put McBride to sleep) and Wach wouldn't have the same difficulties in punching Wlad due to his height and reach as Mike Tyson would due to his smaller height and reach.

Both Wach and Tyson have a 'puncher's chance' against Wladimir Klitschko. However, Wach has the greater chance of pulling it off due to the aforementioned reasons. Not to mention, Mariusz Wach's chin and punch resistance is also astronomically superior to Mike Tyson's because unlike Mike Tyson, Wach has never been dropped by anybody multiple times whilst Mike Tyson has been ragdolled all over the ring multiple times by not just power punchers, but by feather fisted heavyweights like Buster Douglas, who has a -50% knockout record.

Mariusz Wach's chin + punching power + size gives him a far better chance at beating Wladimir Klitschko than Mike Tyson. Whilst Mike Tyson's chin / punch resistance and his lack of size will be a significant downfall in his chances at beating a Klitschko.

By the way, from 2006 - 2012, Wladimir Klitschko has proven that it's close to humanly impossible to get past his jab if one is shorter than 6 foot 4 inches. Thus, it's actually Wlad's style that is a 'kryptonite' for shorter boxers like Mike Tyson.

Also, Alexander Povetkin is arguably even better than Mike Tyson. Including his chin, his heart, his toughness among other attributes. So yes, Wlad has faced somebody arguably even 'better' than Mike Tyson. And Wlad fought Povetkin past his prime (age 37) but still managed to beat him (albeit, with excessive clinching). However, what happened when Mike Tyson faced Lennox Lewis at a younger age at 35? Mike Tyson was treated like a rag doll by Lennox Lewis. What does this prove? A past prime Wladimir Klitschko > a past prime Mike Tyson. And prime Wladimir Klitschko > prime Mike Tyson. In fact, past prime Wladimir Klitschko is arguably > prime Mike Tyson or any version of Mike Tyson.

Mike Tyson's style was exposed and found out and therefore, it lost it's effectiveness since the 1990's.

Also, Wladimir Klitschko supposedly has a 'glass jaw'. Yet, he has never been counted out for the 10 count in any fight out of his entire career, despite having 69 bouts which is far more than the number of bouts Mike Tyson had.

Meanwhile, suspect chinned Mike Tyson has been dropped for the 10 count more than once and once by a feather fist in Buster Douglas with a -50% KO record. So if anything, Mike Tyson's chin is going to be more of his downfall than Wladimir Klitschko's chin.