theres no point in comparing tysons worst wins wth wlads best. that just shows how much better tyson was.
All good big fighters use size to their advantage, holding clinching is part of it Ali Wlad Lewis all guilty of it. Tyson was probably the weakest top heavy in a clinch I've ever seen, hes going to lose it against my boy Wlad
My response point by point. This content is protected Yes Wlad had no power did he. Only 53 KOs in 64 wins. Holds KOs victories over numerous fighters who were never knocked out by anyone else and retired with their only KO loss to Wlad. Tyson struggled like hell against low level journeymen like Mitch Green whose career went down the toilet after he lost to Tyson. This content is protected If a Prime Tyson could not stop a complete bum like Mitch Green, then no way he stops genuinely elite HWs like Povetkin, Peter or Povektin. Even the likes of Brewster, Chagaev and Brock go the distance with a prime Tyson. Tyson was Knocking out low grade opposition, half of them with crack addictions. Buster Douglas was a complete bum who knocked out prime Tyson. Fact. This content is protected Wlad holds numerous KO victories over fighters who have only been knocked out by him. He has 10 years as the undisputed champion. He laid to waste an entire generation of Americans HWs who came up and challenged him and were brutally Knocked out like Calvin Brock and Ray Austin. Tyson managed to hold it for 3 years against less than stellar opponents, and was beaten shitless by a proven bum in Buster Douglas. Wlad never lost against anyone as bad a Buster Douglas. Oh yes a shopworn Lewis beat the living daylights out of Tyson, he was only in the fight for the 1st round and took the beating of a lifetime from him. Thats about Tysons level though. Compare that to a shopworn Wlad who never took such a beating even when he was 40 and way past it. This content is protected Wlad has far better opposition than Tyson and beat far better fighters. Thats a fact This content is protected
Dude, great post, but facts are not for Mike's fanboys or WK haters. Why have facts when you can have myths that ignore all of them like the Douglas KO loss and the two lacklustre Ruddock fights. Not to mention Smith, Tillis, Green and Tucker.
like ignoring you listed wins there for tyson, after douglas. what special genius is needed to convert wins into meaning losses, I am blessed never to be aware of. meanwhile - list of nobodies for prime wlads losses, if i was that inclined to use that argument.
you lost me at "My response". not a bad thing - I was spared reading that Wlad's "great american" conquests run from calvin brock to ray austin.
crazy thread man. Wlad genuinely has some great abilities, so why invent fictitious ones like H2H which he clearly doesnt have, being wrecked by nobodies serially in his prime? Just be happy he had great longevity, management etc. Boast about those abilities, not ones he doesnt have. Noone boasts about tyson having great longevity! Noone boasts about roy jones being a great basketball player. Why is it when it comes to Kliturds that they have to fictionalise Wlad?
You should re read it you may actually learn something. Read...ingest...then you can start to truly contribute.
Pov was well beaten and dropped en route to the decision. I watched the fight the other day, Wlads jab at times was the heaviest ive seen from memory, it was a serious weapon in that fight
In Dino's world Tyson was only prime when he was winning. He shortly lost his prime before fighting Douglas
Prime Tyson for me Wlad couldn’t handle it! In terms of fighting temperament it’s the worst matchup possible for the bigger man, Mike would eat him up. Vitali on the other hand...that’s no gimmie
There's no rebuttal here. Of course Wlad got power. The point was him having trouble landing power shots on moving targets. Its why Haye went 12 without ever being hurt and its why Pulev was bulldozed. Do you understand the difference between Haye and Pulev and why one was flat lined and why the other barely took a black eye? So Wlad is not knocking out Tillis who was your typical 80's Ali impersonator. Wlads record shows he does not knock out movers because he requires to be planted to let his shots go.... Got it? Tyson did not struggle at all with Green. What you meant to say is he struggled to knock him out despite throwing the kitchen sink into him. Tyson's battering of Green is totally irrelevant. What exactly is your point , that Wlad gets beated to a pulp like Green did? Rubbishing Tyson and his opponents doesn't make any case for Wlad. So what if he couldn't stop Green??. No ATG has a 100% knockout ratio. Klitschko could not stop Wach - a complete bum who can't box. He couldn't stop a 210lb Chris Byrd when Ibeauchi had already ran straight through him in 5 rounds. Tyson stopped better guys than Green in Holmes , Thomas , Spinks , Tubbs , Bruno , Biggs and Botha and Golota when he was shot to bits. When did Tyson get knocked out by a journeyman like Wlad did? If Wlad couldn't stop Purrity and ended up getting stopped by him , than what hope would he have against Tyson? Lol @ Peter being an elite fighter.. Sam Peter was a rubbish fighter who never beat anybody of note in his life. Povetkin is A level but not elite. Against Tyson he would drop from the same right hand he fell Botha with. Povetkin walking into 80's Tyson is suicide. The speed and power would crush Povetkin. Horrible fight for him Meaningless bum sniffing. What Wlad performance would you put forward as evidence that he beats Tyson?? Its not an argument on longevity , its a H2H fantasy fight , meaning the best of Tyson vs the best of Wlad..Wilder could defend his title another 6 times , it doesn't mean he'd ever beat a Tyson or a Foreman. Beating a string of B levellers does not mean you can beat an ATG. Not a fact.. Tyson beat movers with good stamina and good chins... Wlad beat C levellers who had zero athletic ability. Tyson's era wasn't great , but Wlads was the worst in history. It matters how you perform against lower matched opposition , Tyson excelled and took the world by storm whereas Wlad often looked terrible and needed to foul his way to victory against anybody that was remotely good. Fact is that Wlad never defeated an ATG. Tyson destroyed the two ATGs he faced in frightening fashion. Nobody on Wlads record is better than Holmes , Spinks , Tubbs , Tucker , Bruno or Golota. The Povetkin fight proves beyond any doubt that Wlad would be out of his depth with somebody who comes forward with more angles , speed and intensity than Povetkin. Not to mention better skill / better defense and a vicious body attack that Pov did not have. Wlad had to illegally clinch Povetkin 180 times to avoid boxing with him.. That alone tells you he wouldn't stand a chance against Tyson from the 80's.