Prime v Prime: Jerry Quarry v Marciano

Quarry would come to fight and it would be entertaining while it lasted but Marciano would have beaten the crap out of Quarry.

 

He definitely slowed down at the end of fights more. I've seen all his fights, along with Marciano's. Marciano threw over 100 punches in round 15 against Charles.

 

Very fast paced? Ali was idle on the ropes from round 8 onwards trying to score with limited movement.

Of course he did. He threw far more in per round in his bouts against Moore and Charles. I'm sure, if counted.

 

I don't see any way for Jerry to win this. Rocky would swarm him with hard punching and he wouldn't tire as the fight went on. What's Jerry going to do? Box him? Counter punch him? Slug with him? I suspect Jerry would try the latter at first and then tire. But, whatever he tries, I don't see him beating Rocky. Rocky's in another class and wins this 10 out of 10 times...in my opinion.

 

I normally don't comment on your posts since you love the historical fighters and proclaimed to see them in action live. But that statement is going overboard from my point of view.

 

You're the exact opposite. An infinity with modern fighters and modern everything. I don't know your system of thinking nor criteria so I can't comment. I have trouble seeing Quarry beat Rocky, too. But you're the guy who said Ali might not even make your top 10 Heavyweight list based purely on ability. Maybe you have too much imagination.

 

My system is taking a fighter at his general peak in a time machine to the present and giving him one week to prepare and analyze the opponent. And then have them square off under modern rules. So I imagine both Marciano and Quarry being brought to the present and facing one another under today's boxing standards. I also heavily take into account scientific laws, probability, math, etc. In short, I see no way that Rocky takes ten out of ten fights.

 

Factor into account scientific laws, probability, math. Phew, what are you a Rocket Scientist with an IQ of 160? How do you factor in such arbitrary things. Do you use a scale. How in any possible way could you factor a man having one week to prepare and analyze his opponent. How would you even imagine a fighter to handle this, especially when old fighters may have not relied on film. How do you know what's going on in his mind?

Lastly, how does Ali might not make your top 10 among Heavyweights, then? Who would be above him in this fantasy world?

 

I'll only answer your last question. The first ones require far too much detail, and you may not understand. I'll just say that I go by general ideas.

As my one H2H thread verifies, just because Ali might not make it in my H2H top ten list doesn't mean anyone above him would beat him more times than not. For example, I would favor Ali over Lewis, who is number one on my list. I'd also favor Ali over guys like Vitali, Bowe, and Ibeabuchi.

 

I'm not sure how to respond to you because I'm not sure what you mean by "historical fighters". In your mind, how far back does a fighter's career have to be for that fighter to be considered "historical"?

 

I understand that, but what it does mean is Lewis will be more successful with more fighters and of more fighters of different styles. That is something I find a little peculiar. How do you factor a peak appropriately. How do you factor the fact that Lewis lost twice to much lower level fighters like McCall and Rahman. Knowing this, I don't know how Lewis gives you more security than Ali.

 

I see that I am going to have to write an essay. I'll get back to you when I could post on my brother's laptop. My PSP which I am posting on right now has very limited memory which is why the vast majority of my posts are short. Not to mention I can only type about ten words a minute on this thing.

And djanders, I mean fighters like Louis, Marciano, and Ali.

 

Ah, okay. Well I'll be interested to hear about this. You should make a full-fledged thread. I'm sure it will blow the lids off most of these posters.

 

If I see that thread, I'm going to hold tight to my lid before looking. If my lid's blown off at my age, I might not be able to easily get it back on.

 

Marciano is all wrong for Quarry. This is a granite-chinned two-fisted puncher, not a murderous puncher with questionable stamina and chin (Shavers), or an aging smaller heavyweight (Patterson) - arguably JQ's two greatest scalps.

I don't Rocky just steamrolling Quarry - Jerry is too tough and skilled for that. But I do envision a systematic destruction that really starts to get ugly by about the fifth round or so. Jerry exhibits his usual elephant balls by gets pasted and cut to ribbons. He does not have enough power to slow Marciano down. Dempsey has the power and handspeed to defeat Marciano. Quarry has less handspeed than Jack and way less power although he could punch.

Marciano by stoppage in about 6 or 7 rounds.