Prime: Vitali Klitschko . Vs. George Foreman

Blown up past his prime light heavy coming off a knee injury

See how easy it is to rationalize away "greatness" it's a stupid argument.

 

Because Foreman's early career opponents were easily ATG's.

Take off your ****ing rose colored glasses and study some ****ing film.

The amount of groupthink in the classic forum is ****ing pathetic. I remember why i stopped posting here.

 

Not really. Everything I said about was a fact. most of what you said above is your opinion.

 

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don't be getting mad because he called you out about your boyfriend Vitali, you don't go disrespecting all time greats ( Foreman) unless you can back up your claims, which you obviously can't do.

anyway we are all still waiting for the answer as to what great fighter has Vitali beat let alone knocked out. :hi:

 

There is substance to what you say as up until that time it was VK's first fight with a name fighter, but he certainly showed his metal in the Lewis fight and has since defeated fighters such as Peter and Arreolla, to me they are like his brother's losses, well behind him, he along with Wlad are clearly the two top heavys at the moment. I don't believe either would beat Foreman or Lewis or a host of other ATGs but they are quality fighters especially when judged on their recent records.

 

Everything i said was a fact.

Fact: He was a blown up light heavy.
Fact: He was 31 and hadn't fought in a year when he fought tyson


deal with it.

 

Arn't you one to spin your words around. Thank god for the inventions of quotations.

Here is what you said

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Blown up

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light heavy coming off a knee injury "


Ahh, Arn't we a cutie to attempt to sweep this part under the rug. I caught ya though! :tong Saying Spinx is "Past his prime" is your subjective opinion. It is not a fact that he was past his prime. That is open to ones interpretation.


Your Move......

 

Knocking out a top 5 all time great Light Heavyweight in 91 seconds, is better than going 10 rounds with a former middleweight and having to pull out :hi:

oh yeah, what great fighter has Vitali beat, let alone knocked out

 

Big George wins a donny brook KO 5

 

I figured being 31 after a long amateur and professional career, a knee injury, and long layoffs between fights is generally accepted as being past one's prime.

Guess i have to spell it out for the bat**** insane classic forum, the forum where things like physics and biology have no meaning.

 

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Let's see .. Vit versus a top version of Foreman .. hmm


Well, Vit hasn't had many good fights because the division has been a wasteland for a long time as there simply isn't any top notch mega sized men pursuing professional boxing as a career.

When prime Vit did face two old and out of shape men (but) with size and relatively heavy hands he almost got KO'd in the first versus pedestrian Corrie Sanders (38 years old) and got his grill turned into hamburger by Lennox Lewis (38 years old) in only six rounds. [Corrie was old, fat, and training on six packs of beer and boxes of donuts between rounds of golf - needing that for the obvious cardio benefit.] [Lennox was preparing for sub par Kirk Bubba Johnson and was out of shape and unmotivated after climbing ever mountain by then in Evander Holyfield, David Tua, Mike Tyson, and avenging his loss to Hasim Rahman.]

Hmm ... George Foreman. George wasn't the most skilled heavyweight who ever lived in his prime .. but he was certainly as skilled as any version of Vitali Klitschko. Anyone who thinks Vitali is some gazelle is out of their mind. The single major advantage in Vitali is his HEIGHT and LENGTH. It overcomes his obvious weaknesses - average hand speed and foot speed, lack of agility, lack of head movement, lack of quickness, etc. He is an average athlete with great size fighting **** poor comp that is usually considerably smaller.

Against a good/great athlete with comparable or near comparable size he has to stay in range and "take some to give some". If two tired and out of shape old men like the 38 year old versions of Lewis and Sanders could cause a prime version of Vitali such duress then a physically prime version of George Foreman would chop him down and leave him stretched under the distance. There is little doubt about which of the two fighters is gonna be able to take the other's shots and be standing at the end.

Prime George would land enough thudding punches to have Vit stumbling and holding and would send Vitali to dream land in six rounds maximum.

Nah, 5 rounds.



It isn't Vit's fault that the heavyweight division is full of "C" level athletes, bums, out of shape scrubs, old men, and ex-cruisers - but, defeating lousy comp doesn't mean you are ANYTHING special - not AT ALL.

 

This would be a great fight with both men getting busted up.

Both have willpower, kayo power, great jabs, two of the strongest men even to lace em' up.

Foreman did not fight smartly in his youth. In his second incarnation he was patient and savy in the ring. The author of the thread did not specify which GF we are talking about. Then again, VK had a 5-year gap in his career though not quite the 10 year one Foreman had.

To answer the thread - I see Vitali fighting Foreman the way he fought Arreola. Moving away and jabbing as Foreman comes foward. The problem for Klitschko is that Foreman also has a great jab and knows how to use it. Foreman, even while getting hit with hard punches, would be letting his hands go. Eventually, Foreman splits the difference and gets close to Vitali where he can do more damage. Both men suffer knockdowns, facial cuts, nosebleeds, etc. This is two great fighters testing eachother's will. In the end though I think Foreman would triumph. Foreman, aside from the freak of nature Valuev, is probably the strongest man to ever hold a world title.


Foreman TKO 10 V.Klitschko on cuts in a sensational fight.

 

Young George from the 1970's would stop Vitaly inside 7 rounds. I don't see Vitaly holding up to Foreman's power long enough where George's history of questionable stamina becomes a factor in this fight. If Vitaly is not beat up by this time and makes it to the late rounds of a 12 rounder, he has the potential to squeak out a decision. He's not stopping this version of George but his atheleticism would certainly help him avoid some big shots for a few rounds.

Old George Foreman would give Vitaly problems but this is perhaps the only version of Foreman that either Klitschko has a chance against. If both Vitaly and Wlad, don't get careless and stupid, dropping their hands and standing in front of old George, like Michael Moorer did, they could out-box this version of Foreman. George was never known for his hand or footspeed, but the man did cover lots of ground, cutting off the ring with his long strides. He was better at this in his prime and wasn't as dangerous in his comeback. Tommy Morrison showed the best strategy to beat Foreman, circling, moving, not standing and trading, and attacking in short spurts. Kinda like when Frazier fought George the second time around in 1976, well past his prime and with virtually no sight and lasted 5 rounds before getting stopped. The question here, is whether Vitaly has the skillset to do what Moorer did to old George before he got careless and ko'ed. I think he has the skills now, but early in his career, I'm not so sure.