prime vitali vs prime bowe

Wow, this tread is a clash between fans who grew up with the three Evander-Bowe fights and thought (think) that this was top of the pops. That because Evander beat Tyson he was an incredible HW (when in fact Tyson was just more or less done, and Evander was held away from real big HWs like Lewis) and when Bowe beat him then wow - Bowe was really good. Talking about it and so on.

Then much of the rest of the world saw and sees these fights more objectively without the rosy story line and the media hype. To us Bowe is an highly ordinary HW who was in the right place at the rght time. He got to pick a much smaller guy who had another guy's number. Before and after that right time and place there is plenty of evidence to show Bowe's level.

So confronted with this more objective evidence what does the guys who grew up with the rosy stories do? They fabricate the world's shortest prime. LOL?and they still cannot see how far out it all is?

 

Agreed.

Bowe was a hell of an inside fighter and definately would have the advantage over Vitali from a distance.

The Klitschko nut-huggery around here has surpassed epidemic proportions...

 

Dude, you need to wake up.

Brian Nielsen won a medal in the Olympics. Tell us again what that proves?

Vitaly cleaned out .. cleaned out... a division. Noone for a second doubt that Vitaly is the best HW for several years (if we take out his own brother). He did not have to invent the world's shortest prime. Bowe was a flash in the pan and that flash was a hype job.

 

Plus, V.K. has kicked MAJOR ass well into his 30's, while Bowe was shot to hell at the tender age of 29 for Christ sake............ Also, Bowe can't maintain a weight if he tried........ V.K. has been set on that 250 pounds pretty goddamn consistantly..... V.K. is way more of an athlete than the lazy Bowe ever was..........

MR.BILL

 

If these American fighters are such a joke, please enlighten us to how the Klistchkos have faced better opponents with better abilities? Please name them and discuss their abilities? Was Ross Purrity Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster really dark horses that all the top guys avoided?

 

Brian Nielson was actually not a bad fighter. Vitali's competition is barely a step above Nielsons,
Against who, that is the biggest point? Cleaned out the divsion? He lost to Chris Byrd, he lost to an old Lennox Lewis. More ignorance.

 

...And slower...

 

This is why guys like you hate Vitaly and chose his brother over Vitlay as you like to vall him.... because Wlad can easily be ridiculed with his losses.

However these loses were all loses that Vitaly would or have 'rectified' easily. and that few people think would happen again if wlad fought them.

Meanwhile Bowe got two chances at Golota and looked equally amateurish in both.

Vitaly has the highest KO percentage in HW history and has cleaned out every single fight convincingly barring the two that were stopped on injuries.

Bowe meanwhile had to invent the story of the world's shortest prime to make it seem credible that the Evander figghts should have some kind of credibility. Fans began to ask - well, either Bowe isnt that good and Evander was just much smaller, OR ..? Oh yeah... Bowe had a prime lasting months and then suddenly hhe forgot half of his supposedly 'great' boxing skills. I guess the aliens probed him one night when he was out in the field - and they extracted most of these great skills that had been talked about (as opposed to exsisted) in the Evander fights. Amazing how some people just chose to turn the blind eye.

Why hasn't Vitaly beaten a ATG? That should be obvious - because there was noone and the ones that were - tyson and Evander - he would undoubtedlyt have beatne but most felt that it was a missmatch because of the timing of their carrerrs. Don't blame him now for not doing the same Bowe and Calzaghe have done. It would not have been diffivult, and should not be used as an argument that he did not bother and instead to ranked fighters - despite them not having the 'ATG' tag.

 

What does that have to do with this thread? Yes Bowe was lazy and he was not at his best far after winning the title, but were talking about Bowe at his best, against Vitali as his best. What suggests that Vitali would beat Bowe, based on everything Ive already written ten times?
As much as I ask someone to break down Vitali's record and list some of these great wins that would make him even close to the fighter of a Bowe or Holyfield, nothing but more BS gets written. Its obviously a bunch of kids on here that really didnt start watching boxing until the Klistchkos became their national heroes.

 

And that's the way it is...

 

Again no credible response. I dont hate Vitali. I think hes a decent fighter, but not near as great as you and a lot of clueless fans think. Were talking about a fighter with the pedigree of Lennox Lewis, or Riddick Bowe or Evander Holyfield, or Mike Tyson. Great fighters that proved themselves either by beating other great fighters, or dominating a well skilled generation of fighters.
Comparing Vitali's fight against Lewis would be like comparing Tyson's to Holmes right? A young fighter taking over the torch? Vitali failed. How the hell do you think he got those injuries? Did they magically appear, or were they caused by Lewis punching him in the face? Evander Holyfield fought through the very same shoulder injury in a fight against a far more dangerous opponent. These are the marks which make a great fighter. Vitali's entire resume is a long list of C level fighters with an occasional fringe B level fighter. There is no disputing that based on their records and accomplishments. To dominate a group like that hardly compares to the groups that Bowe, Holyfield, Lewis and Tyson faced.

 

The IDEA that these three average guys are even in the same LEAGUE with Lennox is ridiculous. What is this, American nationalism? How can anybody in their right mind put these three guys in the same sentence with the great Lennox?

Lennox - Holyfield: Schooled, 2x. Check.
Lennox - Tyson: Tyson ran for 15 years, refused to face Lennox. Then eventually schooled and beaten to a bloody pulp. Check.
Lennox - Bowe: Bowe refused to fight Lennox, tossed his belt in the bin before being stripped. Check.

The amount of pain and punishment Lennox would have inflicted on Bowe was unimaginable. Bowe would have been brutalized for 6 rounds before dropping like a heavy, out of shape rhino that has been shot with a 25 pounder artillery gun.

 

F.F.S......... Bowe at his best was for ONE goddamn fight in 1992 against a 205 lb. Holy............ WOW!!! Sure, it was a great fight, but Bowe's real peak lasted for 12 rds............. GEEZUS!! By 1993, Rock Newman and Bowe were CLEARLY looking for the easy way down Money Lane....... Christ, Bowe couldn't even manage to motivate himself to train hard for Holy in the '93 rematch...........

I give a flying duck about all the political crap surrounding Bowe and his team of the 1990's, but no way in hell was he ever better than Vitali Klitschko......... Klitschko is head and shoulders above Bowe........... Cheerio........

MR.BILL

 

Vitali wins this one for sure

 

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Great post.