Prime Vitali vs Prime George foreman

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  1. Sage

    Sage Active Member Full Member

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    How does it go down?



    Man it would have been one hell of a fun fight to watch! :admin



    Oh and please dont say George KO1, undoubtedly Big george is the better and more accomplished fighter but there a few other factors at work here:



    i) Vitali has proven his toughness and is certainly capable of taking monster shots
    ii) George is certainly capable of being hurt himself and is not completely invincible (see the ron lyle fight)
    iii) Did george ever face anyone who is bigger then he is?



    I envisage a slug fest with Vitali knocking george to the deck once or maybe even twice in the early rounds. Big George finds his groove towards the middle rounds and starts to take control and the ref waves off the contest (with Vitali still on his feet) after a sustained, brutal assult with Vitali laying on the ropes at about round 8-9




    Thus, Big George via late TKO in what would probably be a fight of the year candidate







    Thoughts?
     
  2. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Foreman destroys him. Inside of three rounds. The fighters of that era were light-years better than today's mediocrities. And I'm not just basing this on historical legends, I followed these guys as a kid.
     
  3. Sage

    Sage Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not disputing your outcome zakman, but foreman in three rounds? Vitali took some monster shots from lennox lewis and didn't go down, and I cant remember him begin badly hurt in any other fights (will have to review tapes).

    Foreman is without doubt in front of lennox when it comes to power but not that far in front IMO. Lennox had faster hads too, and often the most lethal shots are the ones you dont see coming.



    I'm not saying that foreman wouldn't win, but i cant see him getting Vitali out of there in three rounds or less and i think it'd be much more likely to be a TKO then for Vitali to be counted out





    Just my two cents




    Sage
     
  4. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Ah, but don't forget that Vitali was fighting a clearly declining version of Lewis. A prime Foreman would be a whole different ballgame.
     
  5. Sage

    Sage Active Member Full Member

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    Thats a valid point Zakman, and one I must admit i did not really take into account, Lennox was indeed on the decline when he fought Vitali.


    And indeed a declining lennox is not as good as a prime foreman.


    At any rate, a valid and logical standpoint
     
  6. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    While Lewis wasn't at his physical best, he was still a great fighter imo and at his best in the intangible department which may be even more important, such as intelligence, toughness and ring generalship. Think about it....a younger version of Lennox had some toughness questions and i dont know if he could have hung in there against Vitali. Although, id say Lennox from 1998-2001 was the most physically dominant Lewis....

    moreover, i think a lot of people like to say Lennox was old and faded just to discredit Vitali. There are a ton of Klitschko haters here. :yep


    Vitali gave Lennox the worst hammering of his career. He never took that many big punches before and his diehard fans like to make that excuse. Did you see his face after the fight? Only Mercer did that kind of damage to him and that was over 10 rounds. Look, Lennox is one of my 5 favortie boxers of all-time but i can be objective unlike 75% of this board :deal

    2003 Lennox = great fighter. good chin, tough, very intelligent, huge puncher, big jab. Can u give me 10 fighters that could beat that Lennox? i dont think so

    As for Vitali-Foreman, I really feel Vitali is a nightmare stylistically for both prime versions Tyson and Foreman. I feel Tyson-Vitali would be a coinflip fight with the slight edge to Tyson but believe Vitali would beat young Foreman. George was just too sloppy and threw too many wild punches. Vitali isnt going to walk into his power like Frazier or Norton. He will counter and keep tall. Vitali became excellent at throwing those big counterpunches. If Vitali fights intelligently the first 1/2 of the fight, he puts Foreman down and out late.
     
  7. KobeIsGod

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    1998 or later Lennox stops Young Foreman IMO. too smart and techincally sound :good
     
  8. LennoxGOAT

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    Vitali late TKO or wide points decision.

    Vitali has an iron chin, great stamina, and pinpoint straight punches. He also has great defense and is much larger than Foreman.

    Foreman was an awesome brawler with great power. Vitali negates all of Foreman's strengths. This is a bad stylistic matchup. As a prime Foreman would kill Tyson, Holyfield, Holmes, etc...he would get owned by Vitali and Lennox.
     
  9. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Your outcome is very possible.



    Foreman was , IMO, the hardest puncher I've seen.

    And Vitali probably had the best chin I've ever seen.

    And on balance, I don't believe Foreman can KO Vitali with one shot.


    However, a 1973 version of Foreman, not yet broken, could break Vitali down with the constant onslaught of damage, and probably stop him late, on his feet.

    This is too difficult to call.

    If it goes 15, George loses the decision.

    And George could get KO'd here.

    But my best guess is a mid-to-late round stoppage in favour of Big George.
     
  10. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    50:50 for me, both with monster punch and great chin.
     
  11. fists of fury

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    Good post this.

    Let's face it, George bullied people. He overwhelmed you with raw power but as a technician he sucked badly.
    When George's sheer physicality was not enough as in the Ali and Young fights, he was found wanting.

    I reckon Vitali has the tools to make this very interesting.
    As you said, he's a tall man and George's vaunted uppercuts would not be much of a factor.
    In addition he fought tall, making the most of his height. He also had that awkward lean-back-and-punch style which troubled Lewis. The key factor for me is his toughness, which would see him through the rougher moments.
    He also has formidable size, being much, much bigger than the likes of Frazier and Norton, weight what? 245 or so? George would not have such an easy time bullying and pushing him around. George would actually be smaller by some margin than Klitschko.
    Vitali also proved he could fight through a fair bit of adversity as he did against Lewis.

    That's quite an impressive list of obstacles for Foreman to overcome. Klitschko was also a decent boxer with solid but not bonebreaking power.

    As long as he doesn't engage Foreman in a slugfest I think he could win this by boxing smartly.
     
  12. Axe

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    It's a fight that really could go either way.

    If anyone could take Foreman's shots (outside of Chuvalo and McCall) it's Vitali.

    And Vitali could make Foreman do the dance as well.

    Ill make big George a slight favourite though, for an early rounds KO.
     
  13. keyser

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    Foreman used his size and strength well, but compared to Vitali he´s simply very small. Vitali would outbox him EASILY from the outside and KO him in the mid rounds. It put my left kidney on it.
     
  14. TheCobra

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    Vitali would decimate George, he's as big if not bigger, faster, more powerful and far better technically with better stamina. George was a powerhouse back in the day but that's all he was; a crude slugger.
     
  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Agreed.

    Foreman KO2