Prime Vitali vs Prime Tyson

Once again No one is addressing the ACTUAL range needed for Tyson to win. Theres a BIG differance in a 5'10/5'11 footer with 71 inch reach inside to mid range fighter( whos not going to out jab in this one) no matter how good he is and a 6'2 guy who wouldnt have Tysons skills in peter but could do less to reach vitali.

others are pointing to Vitali isnt a perfect fighter? well its not about perfect its about COULD you beat a guy whos utilizing his strengths...ISNT IT? Vitali ring IQ is second to none...Tyson was very smart but fought on the fly and reacted to his opponents movements withing seconds if not sooner...Vitali calculates before this happens......


I could do alot on this fight....i admittetly think this is the hardest match to make bc i even flip flop on it.....i STILL look at every fight by both and try and draw a better conclusion....


Really BASED on the opponents EACH had one has to think Vitali even though not overall better than Tyson has the edge here.....ands thats using Tyson's opponets similar tio Vitali bc THATS what you do if you are trying to figure out how Vitali actually fares.....

M.Tyson is the reason why Vitali wanted to become a pro boxer to fight him.....

To be continued........

 

Tony Tucker is better HTH than Vitali?



I like Tucker a lot, but Tucker was lucky to be 1-1 in his two fights against the 5' 10" Orlin Norris. Orlin Norris!

Vitali would demolish Norris utterly. And he would defeat Tucker.

If Tyson doesn't knock out guys like Bonecrusher, Tillis and Green (and Tucker), he's not going to knock out Vitali. And if he doesn't knock out Vitali, he can't win. Because Vitali's workrate is too high and he'll just rack up rounds on the scorecards.

Vitali is like a HW version of Margarito, Paul Williams or Calzaghe. Big workrate. That means he's almost never behind on the cards and so all you can hope for is a miracle punch. Which, of course, is never going to come since Vitali has never been down in his career.

Vitali would be the tallest fighter Tyson ever fought, as well as the opponent with the best chin that Tyson ever fought.

Again, I love Tyson, but it's not happening for him.

The only way to beat Vitali Klitschko is if he suffers an injury in the fight (Byrd) or if a fluke occurs (Lewis). Otherwise, there is no formula or realistic path that we've seen. He was ahead of Byrd and Lewis on the cards when both fights were stopped.

The only kind of fighter to have any shot against Vitali would be a huge guy (6' 4" or taller) with a large workrate, great power and a great chin. Someone like a better version of Lewis (with more workrate, better chin) or a better version of Corrie Sanders (with better stamina, better chin). Or a maximized version of Buster Douglas (the one that fought Tyson; although not sure Douglas' chin would hold up).

Tyson is not such a fighter. He's too small. When Vitali wants to elude guys, he can. He's shown that.

 

Vitali is a head to head monster. I pick vitali.

 

why are you referring to a loss in tuckers retiring stage?
explain why you are that desperate as to refer to that.

may as well call joe louis, wlad and dempsey crap for losing their last fights.

. please come back with a proper argument.

 

Hey stupid , Tuckers best wins are Buster Douglas and prime Oliver MaCll. One of them is a lineal undisputed champion.
Both those guys are better wins than Arroela and Sam Peter.
Tucker lost to Norris 5 years after he first beat him when he was shot to absolute bits

Cool story but its a load of baloney. Vitali THREW a lot of arm punching slaps , there'a a differernce between throwing and conntecting.
His connect percentage was atrocious - against BUMS.

His total punch out-put against Johnson was an abysmal 298/1013. That was against Johnson who was standing there right in front of him for 12 rounds straight. We all saw what a accurate hard hitting skilled HW done to Johnson when he was still only a novice.

Chisora ran Vitali from pillar to post and sent him to the hospital afterwards. He painted his chops red all night.
If that was prime Tyson in there Vitali would have been stopped no doubt about it.

Vitali was a low skilled boxer who fought like an MMA striker . He threw shovel punches and arm punches like any kickboxer would in a boxing match.
He never had real old school professional training and its why he still looked like a converted kickboxer in the ring.
Not only is Vitali no match for Tyson , Sudnek would not be any match for D'mato or Rooney.
There's levels here and you know nothing about them.

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^Anybody who looks at this guy and see's pure pugilistic skills and class does NOT KSAB. Tyson would tear him apart. A completely superior boxer in every department.

 

Losing by stoppage because you got battered on the inside is no fluke loss. His lack of defence and inside skills is what gave Lewis his conclusive victory. 3-3 or 4-2 isn't way ahead on the card dummy.

There is never an excuse for quitting on your stool against a feather fisted blown up LHW. Holyfield fought Byrd with the same in injury for all 12 rounds.

Byrd beat Vitali by making him miss and making him pay. Giving up the early rounds was in is gameplan as the blueprint to beat a Klitschko had just been exposed by Ross Purity.

He went in there with the aim to take Vitali and the plan went off without a hitch. All those rounds Vitali was healthy we came nowhere close to doing to Byrd what Ibeauchi did.
Byrd was steam rolled by Ibeauchi but Vitali who you think is the greatest HW of all time could never even come close to hurting him. He ended up LOSING to him

Oh but he was injured.. Guess dum dum? Authentic ATGs win even when they are injured.
And it coouldn't have been that bad because he was back in the ring that same year and it wasn't against Byrd who he had a rematch cluase over. He passed that rematch clause over to his brother which tells you he felt thoroughly beaten by Byrd and did not want to go there again.

No man who loses to Byrd in his absolute prime his beating Mike Tyson. But if you really want to prove me wrong just show me who he beat that on prime Tyson's level??

 

You would like to hear how better Vitali is than Tucker???? If you don't know already no one is gonna waste their time telling you. And no he didn't do better than Vitali against Lewis, Tyson had a half decent first round then took his beating. Lewis v Vitali was too and fro

 

No responses to DinoVelvet. That's my official policy. He's proven himself unworthy of responses.

HerolGee, you're heading down the same path as Dino.

I don't suffer fools gladly, and I don't waste my time.

The fight between Norris and Tucker that truly made Tucker look poor was the first fight between them. Tucker won but it was not a well-received decision. Tucker was 32 years old at the time.

Here's some info on the bout.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-19/sports/sp-5626_1_orlin-norris

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http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/norris-no-fear-mike-article-1.852794

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I like Tucker a lot, saw several of his fights. But getting a questionable split decision over a 5' 10" blown-up "heavyweight" isn't exactly the stuff of lore.

Vitali crushes Norris with no problem. When Vitali blew out his shoulder he was up on the judges' cards 8-1 rounds, 7-2 rounds, 7-2 rounds against Byrd (another smallish heavyweight). Norris would be no problem for Vitali.

Vitali > Tucker. It's pretty basic.

Tucker had his moment. He did defeat Buster Douglas for the IBF belt. He was talented.

He just wasn't at Vitali's level.

No shame in that. But it is what it is. No fighter who struggled with Orlin Norris is going to beat Vitali. That's not realistic.

 

why you still talking about Norris when u were blatantly shown its a flop argument?

Would that explain why you are threatening to run away from the argument now?

 

That's it. You're done. No more responses from me, at least not in this thread. You're clueless and I can't waste time on you.

For others who care about the discussion.

Tony Tucker himself said that his career started to go downhill after the Tyson fight in 1987. He apparently had a hand injury going into the bout and he broke his hand in the fight.

http://www.boxinginsider.com/interviews/where-are-they-now-tony-tnt-tucker/

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Tucker was 28 when he fought Tyson. So after that fight, according to him, he started to lose focus and he went downhill (which might help explain the controversial 'win' over Norris in their first fight).

The only world title-level fight Tucker had before the Tyson bout was the Buster Douglas fight, in which Tucker won the IBF belt by stoppage. That fight came immediately before the Tyson fight.

Supposedly, Tucker was behind in the Douglas fight before he rallied for the stoppage victory.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:2392

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Obviously, a motivated Douglas was an incredible fighter. So, there is no 'shame' in having struggles against him.

Still, what we see in Tucker, then, is a guy with a 1-fight 'peak' at the world title level. And even in that peak, he supposedly had to rally to get the win against a fighter who had lost previously in his career to David Bey, Mike White and Jesse Ferguson.

To restate, then -- Tony Tucker was, at his best, a very good fighter with excellent height, reach, skill level, power and chin. He was a bit light (220-225) for today's giants. Tucker was a LHW amateur.

He was not, however, at Vitali Klitschko's level.

Maybe the version of Tony Tucker that fought Douglas lasts the whole fight against Vitali. Maybe. I don't see how he wins the fight, however. We know he's not going to put Vitali on the canvas and he has to overcome Vitali's workrate and power.

Watch the early rounds of this video. Ask yourself if you think Tucker could compete with Vitali

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After watching that footage, I can't see any way in which Tucker could hang with Vitali. It's not going to happen. And Vitali likely stops him within the distance if he wants.

If that's Peak Tucker (and it is), then it's an easy night for Vitali.

 

There's a difference between wont respond and can't respond. You CAN'T and you have learned that from experience.

Anybody who knows boxing when they see it can clearly see Tucker had a better skill-set than Vitali.

Better jab - thrown correctly from the shoulder and brought back to the chin. Vitali's poorly thrown jab from the waist upward worked against bottom feeders with no skill , but at elite level that poor technique would open him up to a world of hurt.
Which was abundantly clear when he fought Lewis.

Tucker also had better speed , better footwork , a better arsenal of punches and was a far better combination puncher.
He had better defence and actually bent at the waist and moved his head away from on coming punches . He was fluid , loose and had rhythm.

Vitali was stiffed legged , dragged his back foot around after him and had nothing to his game other than cuffing 1-2s.

Show the forum what you know about the spot and prove to me Vitali was a higher skilled boxer than Tucker? Do it. .

You resort to saying stupid chit like - oh i love Tucker , i love Tyson , because your argument are so weak.

You can't explain how Vitali was a better boxer because he simply wasn't and you can't disporve he had better wins because MaCall and Douglas are MILES better than anybody Vitali ever beat

 

Tucker won that fight moron. Show me footage of Vitali beating the worst fattest , sloppiest version of Lewis?
Show me footage of Vitali beating ANY SHW with skills?

Tucker in that fight was sharper , quicker , busier and better conditioned than old Lewis who took the fight on short notice.

 

I forgot that Vitali fought Orlin Norris. And he destroyed him in 1 round. So that's not making Tucker look any better. Still, we'll give Tucker the benefit of the doubt because he was on the slide after the Tyson fight, it seems.

And, Norris was 35 at the time when Vitali aced him.

 

Seriously , anybody who looks at this guy and see's the greatest HW boxer of all time is either harbouring some agenda or DKSAB. This new order clown is under the impression Vitali is exactly that - HW TBE

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There is no skill on display here. Absolutely none. Its actually laughable how bad he looks. Watch it. The video does not lie.

 

the above coming from the forum clown...Oh lord may we be truly thankful for the irony you bestow upon us ...in the form of this lowest form of idiot known as velvet undergroin DINOsower