Prime Vs Prime at Welterweight, who wins? Henry Armstrong or Bud Crawford?

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  1. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    It's an interesting matchup i thought of whilst doing my regular daily thang

    Who would you think comes out victorious between the two? The relentless, unlimited stamina cheat code Homicide Hank or the Modern great but also feral, bloodlusted Terence Crawford?
     
  2. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Gamboa did make Crawford work,maybe Armstrong SD although idk how he does it.
     
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  3. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    This would be Bud all day, every day. Crawford has a seven inch reach advantage and a three inch height advantage. Stubby little Hank would never touch Crawford. Not only that, modern boxing is so more evolved than the rudimentary skills the fighters had 80 years ago. Armstrong is tough so I will let him finish the fight. Crawford wins 12 rounds to 3, score of 147-138.

    Ok, now back in the real world, Armstrong would give Crawford all he could handle. The aforementioned reach advantage is a legitimate issue for Homicide Hank but the man was a fantastic fighter who often fought bigger, longer men. In my opinion, Crawford is a great boxer but he has never really fought a fighter close to this level.

    I'll go with Armstrong 144-141.
     
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  4. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Interesting, what do you think about the incredible weight differences?

    Bud when he was at lightweight fighting gamboa, he rehydrated up to 154 pounds, that's a very huge increase for both him and Hank, considering Hank's biggest opponent (that he "beat") was Ceferino Garcia the middleweight champ, who only weighed 2 more pounds than Bud

    And recently, Bud's rehydrated as high as the high 160s (169 against Madrimov to be precise)

    IMHO i think Bud's just too strong, too big and considerably skilled enough to beat Hank, despite Hank's skill being somewhat better and bigger, i just don't think that it makes it up for Bud's unfair weight advantage

    But if God were to come down from the heavens and give us that fight, i wouldn't be surprised if Hank pulled it off
     
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  5. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you have a source for this, please? Not doubting you, just interested.
     
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  6. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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  7. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Depends on the ref :lol:

    Old school gloves and a tolerant ref, and Armstrong definitely takes it imo.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Crawford should be favoured against Armstrong. Hes a middle in armstrong’s era.
     
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  9. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hot take, but Crawford is in the top 5 P4P in history.

    Not only that, but Crawford is rehyrdrating probably like 10lbs after the weigh in at 147lbs, which isn’t that much by modern standards, but much more than Armstrong.

    Not only that, but Crawford is more skilled, better ring IQ, can think steps ahead and read his opponents and adjust.

    Armstrong’s relentless aggression would mean Crawford would adapt and use it against him and lands check books after baiting him and counter left uppercuts.

    Armstrong is great, Crawford is greater, that’s no knock on Armstrong.
     
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  10. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Respectfully, I hardly disagree

    Yeah, I think Crawford would beat Armstrong, mostly due to size, but he's nowhere near as great as him, or as skilled for that matter

    Armstrong holds the record for the most defenses of the undisputed welterweight title, with 19, and he's the only person to become undisputed champion in three weight divisions at the same time

    He beat Barney Ross, Fritzie Zivic, Lew Jenkins, Bobby Pacho, Baby Arizmendi, Lou Ambers, Ceferino Garcia, Chalky Wright, Sammy Angott, Pedro Montanez, Petey Sarron, Benny Bass, Midget Wolgast, etc etc. That’s a handful of All-Time Greats on Henry Armstrong’s resume. And when you look at Bud’s resume, the only big name he has (at the time I’m writing this) is Spence, who I think was in 2 car crashes before that fight and had gone through face reconstruction surgery, right? (correct me if im wrong here)

    Armstrong is also arguably the most skilled and perfect inside fighter in the history of the sport. Depending on your criteria, he’s only second to Durán, maybe tied with Angott

    Crawford hasn’t done nearly enough to be compared to them. He has a lot of accomplishments, sure, but his resume is severely lacking. I don’t think he’s beaten one good fighter while they were truly at their best. Gamboa maybe, but even then, Gamboa wasn’t that great

    I can’t say if Crawford’s in or out of my top P4P since I don’t have a list made right now, but when you look at the dozens of great fighters across every weight class, I think it’s really tough to say he’s top 5

    At the end of the day, it’s your opinion, and everyone has the right to think what they want

    God bless
     
  11. Greg Price99

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  12. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crawford did have some issues vs Porter who was a swarmer but Porter is naturally alot bigger than Armstrong he started his career at Middleweight rather than Featherweight like Armstrong.

    This isn't a fair match up in all honesty Armstrong is 5'5 and he was in an era of same day weigh ins. Crawford is rehydrating to Middleweight/Super Middleweight and is considerably bigger than Armstrong.

    Armstrong has a far superior resume and is far greater than Crawford but Crawford is simply too big for him and should be favoured.
     
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  13. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Crawford is the size of a middleweight at WW, Armstrong was like 133 when he won the 147 title. Crawford also has access to modern PEDs and would be by far the physically strongest man Armstrong ever went against, ON TOP of being a phenom counterpuncher

    I'm taking Crawford every day and twice on sundays. Big mismatch
     
  14. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same day weigh in? As it should be.
    I'll go with the fighter who beat a plethora of ATG'S.
    That's not Crawford.
    With today's weight cheating, and pharmaceutical enhanced athletes of Today game.
    Still go with Armstrong, fight would be alot closer.
     
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  15. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Armstrong moved forward with his head out like a giraffe and swung punches from his waist. That was ok because the opponent fought the same.
    He was better at swinging hooks than the other guys who stood in front of him.

    No distance control back in that era. Swing and hold , rinse n repeat.

    Crawford steps back and counter uppercuts Armstrong with ease , the fight would be over after 4-6 rounds.