Prime vs Prime Mike Tyson vs Wlad Klitschko Who Wins?

No, you have proven you haven't watched his career or else you are just posting straight up lies.

Wlad has been committing excessive and illegal holding for the last 10 years, well before the Povetkin fight.

How is it Manny Steward had to scream and plead with him to stop hugging Peter?
How is it all the Germans in his backyard began booing the **** out of him. Was that a figment of my imagination?

Because you are only a fan of Klitschko's , you don't know what controlling a guy with the jab looks like.

You can make a case for Haye , but that is only because of the style clash. Haye wanted Wald to come to him , so they just stayed in front of each other all night.
Haye gave up pressing the action because everytime he got inside , he was jumped on , and thats why he went to the floor repeatably.

Wald is never able to stop guys getting inside with just the jab and the film proves it.

Hilenous and Vitali both controlled Peter with and punches movement , but Wlad could not.
If Hilenous handled Peter easier than Wlad , those that mean he can beat Tyson too?

How do you explain this against nothing man Mormeck?

http://www.boxingnews24.com/wp-content/uploads/wlad001.jpg

Fatigue happens when the other guy beats the **** out of you with hooks to the body. atsch

He lost because his 1-2 just wasn't good enough to control Brewster and when the ref took away his clinching and hugging he began failing punches all over the place in a panic which causes exhaustion.

His whole fighting style since then revolves around conserving energy and sapping the gas out of the other guy , which tells you he knows he is likely to gas out again. You are talking utter bollox and making pathetic excuses.

 

A repeat of the Bonecrusher Smith fight would happen again, where Wlad would grab onto Tyson for dear life and he would probably lose to a UD. I see no version of Wlad beating a prime, menacing Tyson. He was too fast, powerful and scary for Wlad. Against Vitali it would be a different kettle of fish, but if Wlad shat himself against a one punch a round Haye, just imagine what would happen against Tyson.

Tyson would KO an early version Wlad in a couple of rounds, but a better skilled older Wlad, would maul, grapple and engulf a smaller Tyson with his arms and body. Tyson would be the best fighter he fought by a significant margin and that would scare Wlad into survival mode.

 

Absolutely wrong. You can't even make one single factual argument you sad little man.
Douglas NEVER clinched or bear hugged onto Tyson.

What Douglas did is what you call real control over a guy with a jab.
When Mike got close , Buster would pivot to the side or lead him onto to uppercuts.
He boxed at angles and in combination popping out a jab better than Wlad has even shown in his life.

Buster had a real jab that could stop guys in their tracks. He snapped it at Mike double and tripple , then moved.

Wlads pawing , push jab would have nowhere near the same effect. Walds left is already half extended when he pushes out his jab.
He gets away with it against the bottom feeder of today , but he'd get demolished in a flash making that mistake against Tyson

Douglas had rhythm , coordination, lateral movement, multiple combinations and a furious workrate Wlad simply does not have.

Boxing is geometry. Angles , bob n waeve counter hooks beat straight shots everytime.
Tyson moved his head and feet faster than Wlad could throw a jab. WHen he throws up his arms to try grab him , Mike will of already of got to him downstairs. It wouldn't surprise me if he fell vitim to a body shot KO

HAHAHAHAH
patsch

 

Really good analysis. Refreshing to see you breakdown Wlad's style and how it's served him so well. I hate it the way he gets away with grappling and falling on top of boxers in a cynical move of sapping their energy and he DOES IT SO MUCH!

 

Tyson was prison raped twice by a cruiserweight.

 

Kind of said you had to go the insult route yet again unprovoked.

After injuring his hand, Tucker was outpointed. Before that it was competitive as I even pointed out "the first few rounds."

I disagree. All three were formidable fighters when on their game. They were distinctly different in attributes and styles though so I don't see Douglas being better in every department. Sanders was a better counter puncher for instance and Brewster the most durable by far. Douglas had the best jab of the three but would stop there.

 

:thumbsup

 

Tyson run? Are you mental? Against Douglas and Lewis where was pretty much getting used as a punchbag he still carried on coming forward.

Has anyone used the generic quote v Tyson? "Wlad goes past 5 rounds" and he wins.

That being said I cant see Wlad keeping Tyson off him, it would either be KO early (4-5 rounds), or Wlad just hanging on and losing on points.

 

That's an amazing conclusion you have just drawn about me, right there; from only two words and an acronym. You must have the same powers of deduction as the HeavyweightBlog.com.

It's a Poll. I gave my answer, in accordance with the options on offer. Is that a gripe? No - So get real, you gullible cretin.


Moreover, looking at the results of the Poll, I am not all that concerned about the need to go through reams of explanation, as to why I think a 'Tyson by KO' selection is justified. It's as clear as day to anyone who isn't a Klitschko Fanatic and knows something about the Boxers they watch.


My next posts were addressing your "infinitely more substantial and interesting" peddling of an argument, based on a website, which is so biased in favour of the Klitshckos (at the expense of other Great Boxers), that you could be forgiven for assuming that the blogger is blood-related to them.

Apart from his obvious bias...

(People might be interested in his sociological view of Muhammad Ali @ http://www.masterworld.it/out/1266858/Muhammad-Ali-The-most-famous-racist-to.html)

...I've pointed out just some of the fragilities inherent in the blogger's approach to the numbers and the sweeping inferences made. While you can say you're not in agreement with all the arguments, you are clearly being suckered into some of them, just by accepting the way in which the data has been presented. Perhaps a greater indicator of your naivety is in you stating that "Wladimir would whip Mike Tyson." This is somewhat of a leap from you "simply taking some of the valid arguments and statistics" to support your argument.

So wipe the rabid foam from your mouth and have a counselling session with yourself, today - seriously!

 

Tyson by MURDEROUS KO

 

I can say Tyson has the perfect style because that's what he was trained for. Even wayyy back in Tysons heyday he was considered a small heavyweight and cus trained him accordingly. Even if Wlad has an ATG jab as you say, ( I disagree, paws with it a lot and leaves it hanging out sometimes ) he's still not gonna hit Mike with it 100% of the time, and every time he misses it's a chance for Mike to connect, and that's another difference between the two, Mike takes chances whereas Wlad is a safety first type fighter. I am remembering the historical Tyson, perhaps you are putting too much stock in the Douglas loss, as the other 4 fighters you mentioned Tyson beat. Try to remember that Tyson went the distance with those larger men and still won unanimous decisions against them all so making it past the 4th round or so like many have said is no guarantee of a win for a bigger guy against Mike.

 

You don't get it and that blog does not get it either.

If Mormeck was in Ali's era, he would not of been a 6 time champion, he wouldn't even have been a 1 time champion. So he would not of been nothing to anybody and certainly not Ali's best win like that blog is claiming.

And since when was Mormeck a 6 time world champion? More blatant lies.

 

What insult? Im saying you're not an idiot and not a klitard. atsch