Prime wlad vs fury

How many great champions have an off-night against three opponents like Ross Puritty, Corrie Sanders and Lamont Brewster?

Wladimir Klitschko was an excellent boxer, but he was also overrated. He ended up managing his career exceptionally well, beating either short or old men for a whole 10 years. That truly is remarkable. But then again, it was a weak era.

The fact you said Wladimir Klitschko is "much, much more consistent" made me laugh. He's so consistent that he ended up not only losing but to being beat up by the three aforementioned mediocre opponents.

 

You seriously think that the thought of rematching the guy who he’d already beaten made him have a breakdown?

I don’t buy that for a second.

It’s nonsensical.

I don’t rate Wilder, but to lose that amount of weight to come back after 3 years to take on someone that dangerous shows the man’s character.

He took on Wilder when he was nowhere near 100%.

He got laid out, yet jumped straight back up when many other guys would have stayed there.

He then rematched the guy who almost knocked him out.

Why did he even come back at all?

He was financially set for life.

Regarding Wlad, Wlad was already fired up. Tyson did a complete psyche job on him. He made him shave his hair after saying that he was an old man who was going grey. He made him act uncharacteristically where he had him losing his temper and using foul language. Wlad went into the fight fired up and looking to prove a point. Yet when he was in the ring, he had a mental block and couldn’t let his hands go.

I think you’re way off the mark here.

 

Dino,

What’s your opinion mate?

I don’t see how we can label this as being a duck.

 

He was ousted from the sport and didn't return for 3 years. The man didn't even have a licence to box. No duck!

 

Prime Vlad, Vit, holy, bowe, lewis beat Fury .
Fatso is extremely overrated .

 

Agree on all points

 

Rahman and McCall say "hi".

They couldn't find a single fighter worth facing in 10 years? So, what you're actually saying, is that he made 10 years worth of HW's look like bums?

The dregs of that era are still fighting at the highest levels - Povetkin, Charr, Pulev etc. The shot remains of that era are still holding titles or fighting for them. Says something to me.

10 years, kid. You said it yourself.

 

You seriously think that no reason whatsoever made him have a breakdown?

I don’t buy that for a second.

It’s nonsensical.

Wilder's just a big stiff idiot and a useless dosser. You want to hear it from Fury himself?

Never knew you were Fury's accountant. I have a different view. I say he blew his winnings on coke and hoes and a ferrari to pull his caravan.

Wlad had a suicidal wife at home with his kid. I guess that concentrating under those circumstancesis normal?

I think that Fury barely beat Wlad in one of the worst HW fights in years which was coma-inducing in its boredom. I think he struggled in the 12th when Wlad opened the taps. I think Fury had contractually agreed to the rematch. I think Fury fell into depression because he knew he's lose the rematch and that his PED woes were catching up with him.

 

Yes, and Tyson Fury is better than Lennox Lewis. There's no way Tyson Fury would've been KO'd by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. You can't just brush off losses to mediocre opponents as an "off night". Rather, they are major stains on one's resume.

DaVarryl Williamson, Eliseo Castillo, Samuel Peter x2, Chris Byrd, Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster, Sultan Ibragimov, Tony Thompson, Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Jean Marc Mormeck, Tony Thompson, Mariusz Wach, Francesco Pianeta, Alexander Povetkin, Alex Leapai, Bryant Jennings.

The best opponent in the entire list is arguably David Haye, whose biggest win at Heavyweight was a close contest against Nikolai Valuev, who was the beneficiary of a robbery against a 46 year old Evander Holyfield. I bet you were just one the status quo at the time who were complaining about how boring Wladimir Klitschko was and the fact he was fighting mediocrity. Now that he's retired and you don't like Tyson Fury, he's a legend who beat top class opposition like Ray Austin.

Alexander Povetkin has never captured a heavyweight title - his biggest accomplishment was claiming the WBA (regular) title which was also held by Ruslan Chagaev, Lucas Browne and now Manuel Charr. Wladimir Klitschko's "win" against Alexander Povetkin is an utter embarrassment, so if you are to reference this "victory", it shows how shallow his resume is of quality wins. You know someone's reaching when they claim that Manuel Charr is competing at the highest levels. Manuel Charr won the WBA (regular) by beating Alexander Ustinov 3 years ago and in his prior 2 bouts defeated the famous Sefer Seferi by unanimous decision and Andrei Mazanik who had a 12-7 record. You'd need to go back 5 years when he was brutally knocked out by Maris Briedis, a cruiserweight. The only name Kubrat Pulev has beaten since his loss to Wladimir Klitschko is Dereck Chisora, who has lost 9 times in his career.

Your arguments are **** poor.

 

Didn't have to read further.

Fury hasn't done a damn thing in his career yet.

Lewis dumps on him from a height where Fury needs a telescope to see where the turds are coming from.

 

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I disagree

 

I think you make all this stuff up.
His prime was when Steward coached him. Before Steward he was in his physical prime, but reckless.
After Steward he was already in his late 30s and he was visibly slipping.

 

Wlad looked poor vs Jennings just before he fought Fury and Jennings is shorter.
Obviously being 40 has something to do with him being slow and not able to pull the trigger.

 

He never said that lol

 

BCS8,

No, I don’t think for one second that Wladimir personally caused him to have a breakdown.

Again, he has a mental illness.

He’s had mental health issues all of his life since being a child. His father says that he used to have violent mood swings from the age of 10.

He’s being diagnosed as being bipolar.

Some days he’s on a massive high, and some days he has suicidal thoughts where he doesn’t want to know his own children.

I think his illness caused his breakdown. Because despite having a mental illness, he has incredible self confidence. Despite his bipolar, he’s also mentally very strong.

We’re talking about a person who just one day randomly jumped on a plane by himself to go over to the Kronk gym in Detroit.

We’re talking about a guy who did a complete psyche job on Wlad before they fought.

We’re talking about a guy who lost 10 stone in order to come back and target the best fighters in the world.

We know that Tyson had respect for Wilders power and his unpredictability.

He was obviously just looking to gain a psychological edge.

He called Wlad a robot.

He calls Joshua a bodybuilder.

I don’t care about his finances. The point was to highlight his mental strength. A guy who feared losing to a guy who he’d already beaten, would not have shed 10 stone in weight and come back to fight Wilder and to target Joshua.

That must have been hell for him. But I honestly don’t believe that that’s why he couldn’t let his hands go in the ring.

He’d never seen anyone with Tyson’s size, speed, style and supreme confidence before.

There’s nothing to suggest that any one man could specifically have caused him to have had a breakdown. Again, it’s nonsensical. It’s illogical if you look at his entire career.

Again, he’d already psyched out Wlad. He’d already beaten him in Germany.

Again, if your theory is correct, he’d never have come back into the sport to face Wilder, and nor would he have had a rematch after what Wilder did in that first fight. It would have been far more logical to have avoided a rematch with Wilder, than to have avoided one with Wlad.

If Tyson had given a BS excuse and then fought someone else shortly afterwards, then you’d have a valid argument. But that’s not what happened. He had over 3 years out of the sport.

You don’t have 3 years out of the sport if you’re ducking someone.

Wladimir didn’t cause Tyson to feel suicidal where he wouldn’t engage with his own children.

It seems abundantly clear to me that his mental illness was his downfall, and not one man, a man who he’d already beaten both physically and psychologically, both inside and outside of the ring.