Prime Wladimir Klitschko vs. prime Mike Tyson

Tyson got in his head all throughout the build up, in the pressers and the weigh-in, before they even got in the ring.

He shaved his hair due to Tyson’s comments.

He lost his temper and uncharacteristically used foul language.

Tyson did a complete psyche job on him.

Mike would definitely have intimidated him. And he’d have known for sure that as soon as the bell rang, that Mike would have fought him aggressively, which would immediately have put him into an uncomfortable position.

 

You mean at the time when Wlad was in training camp with a depressed and possibly suicidal wife back at home?

 

You keep saying that.

There was more to it than that.

That’s not going to make a guy shave his head etc.

And as if a prime knockout machine like Mike, wouldn’t have intimidated a guy who was dropped 13 times in his career, with 3 stoppage losses to 3 non great fighters.

We know that Mike Tyson would have intimidated him. 100%.

Mike would immediately have taken him out of his comfort zone.

 

Accepting your premise that Wlad was intimidated by pillowfist Fury, why did he push so hard for the rematch? I mean, since he lost and all, surely he would have been terrified of facing Fury again? Your logic makes no sense.

As if Wlad, who was trying to get a fight with Lewis, the guy that obliterated Tyson, would have been scared of a smaller guy with less power and all round physicality than Lewis For the record Sam Peter had over a 90% KO ratio when Wlad faced him and beat him.

I'm sure that once Wlad whipped out his magnifying glass and saw the fierce scowl on Tiny Tyson's face, he would agree with you that this was the angriest midget he'd ever fought at heavyweight.

 

I can't see Wlad coping well with Tyson's pressure or having the chin to take his best punches.

Tyson via KO.

 

Well that's the first time I've heard that excuse been used, I'm not quite sure I believe his martial problems. Had anything to do with Fury's mind games off setting Wladimir which clearly bothered him in my opinion. And his wife certainly wasn't brought up when Wladimir was a huge favourite over Fury at the time.

The fact is Wladimir had a weak chin and could be vulnerable, Sanders basically blew him away with his speed and power which he had no answer for.

Again it depends on the referee aswell, if Wladimir is allowed to use his clinch game which Tyson was vulnerable to. But I just don't see Wladimir not getting clipped by Tyson at some point, and Wladimir could be like a deer in the headlights when he was hurt which isn't a good thing vs one of the best finishers ever.

 

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It was pretty big news at the time. Maybe you weren't paying attention

 

I wasn't call you a liar I'm just saying it wasn't brought up in regards to being valid excuse "at the time". I didn't see anyone mentioning this could be a factor in regards to the Fury fight in which Wladimir was a huge favourite.

Me personally I think Fury off set Wladimir with his antics, hasn't Wladimir admitted he fought overly cautious in regards to that ? I think it might of been said in one of their face offs ?

But whether or not what you or I believe in regards to Wladimir's performance vs Fury, the biggest issue i have is Wladimir's weak chin and looking vulnerable when hes hurt. Which isn't good attributes to have vs someone like Mike Tyson.

I'm not saying Wladimir doesn't have a chance in this fight, because of his size and clinch game would be an issue for the smaller Tyson. But I just can't see Wladimir not getting caught at some point.

 

100% correct. . It was never mentioned once. Not even hinted at. It was another post-loss excuse exploited by his fanboys . They only stuff they were saying before the fight is what round Wlad was going to savagely put Fury to sleep in.

Btw , this was a very happy looking Hayden at the fight. Not saying she wasn't depressed but anybody can spin that whatever way they want. How do we know Klitschko wasn't extra motivated to win after seeing her recovery. Its all just nonsense excuse making. Nody knows what was going through his head

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...-supports-fianc-Wladimir-Klitschko-fight.html

 

Prime for prime Mike stops him.

 

BCS8,

Always with the sarcasm.

I never said that he was terrified.

I said that Tyson’s size and character intimidated him and made him uncomfortable.

That was plain to see from my perspective.

I watched Wlad and Vitali’s careers from the outset. Two very intriguing characters who were very different from each other.

There is nothing wrong with my logic. Of course you’re entitled to your own opinion. But if you disagree, you can always go back and see for yourself.

Look back at the various pressers, and the head to head shows in the build up etc.

Look at how Wlad carried himself. Watch him lose his temper. Watch him struggling to respond. Look at his body language and his mannerisms. You don’t need to be a psychologist to see it. Tyson made him act in an uncharacteristic way. He made him uncomfortable. Wlad had never encountered anybody with that level of confidence who was so unpredictable.

He told Wlad that he was greying and was an old man. Wlad then shaved his hair extremely short for the first time in years.

He made Wlad become abusive.

He told him to his face that he wouldn’t be able to hug him and use his normal size advantages.


Why did Wlad push for the rematch?

I suspect because he and Banks were obviously extremely disappointed in his performance, where he threw more feints than punches. He was stuck on repeat, where he could only let his hands go in the final round. I suspect that the performance actually gave him more confidence. I personally think that he’d have been a lot more aggressive and active in the rematch. Like you’ve said, Tyson had no power to really hurt him or stop him. So then ask yourself why he wouldn’t let his hands go and attack Tyson.

If he wasn’t intimidated, then why couldn’t he change tactics?

Why didn’t he fight him more aggressively?

Are you seriously telling me that his wife’s issues was the reason that he couldn’t let his hands go in the ring for 11 rounds? Really?

No. It was all psychological. All of it.

Tyson once went to Detroit on his own, unannounced, where Manny, who was Wlad’s mentor, welcomed him with open arms and praised him. Telling the boxing world that Tyson was going to be the next big thing in the division. All of that had to have impacted Wlad. And if you don’t think so, then again, watch the build up and the fight itself.

I’m not sure if you’re being serious here.

Mike was shot in 2002. The whole boxing world knew that.

That has nothing to do with Wlad facing a prime version of Mike from the 80’s.

Yes, Wlad would have fought Lennox in the early 00’s, had he have had the chance. He was more confident and far more aggressive back then. I think he’d have given Lennox a good fight. But a prime version who was trained by Manny would have been much more cautious.

Sam Peter was a crude, B-C level guy.

Incomparable to a prime version of Mike.

A 90% KO ratio?

Against who though?

You can scoff all you like.

The fact is, Wlad was very vulnerable and he didn’t like to fight under pressure.

Mike was on a whole other level to the guys who stopped Wlad and who caused him trouble.

We know why he turned into an octopus against Povetkin.

We know that at times, Manny had to shout at Wlad for him to let his hands go and be more aggressive.

It doesn’t matter how small Mike was.

He had one punch knockout power in either hand, he could land very fast combinations from either stance, and he could slip inside of a bigger guys range and provide them with a very elusive target.

So which version of Wlad would you be putting forward for this fight?

I’m assuming a prime version.

That would be logical.

That’s what the TS is looking at.

But then that version was cautious, as he was psychologically scarred from those early knockout defeats.

 

It was mentioned at the time.

Weak chin is relative.

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in even less fights. I'm not sure Tyson can handle the artillery Klitschko brings to the table. Tyson's weak chin is a serious liability here.

Yeah I can't help but see Tyson frustrated as hell at the end of Wlad's gargantuan reach trying fruitlessly to close the gap as every other midget heavyweight has done against Wlad and then getting tied up like a meatball in a bowl of spaghetti when he finally does get close. Tyson had fits with Frans Botha's hit n hold game. Let's reflect on that for a bit.

 

Assuming that his wife going crazy with their newborn didn't affect Wlad in the slightest, and that it was all Fury's doing, I repeat: Tyson Fury and Mike Tyson have completely different characters and are physically different. There is nothing similar about them down to their boxing styles.

Because he realised that he'd let himself down and that, after opening up the taps somewhat in the 12th, Fury had nothing for him. He'd left it too late and realised this. The same as Fury fought Wilder like a wimp for 11 rounds and then suddenly realised Wilder couldn't handle the pressure when he threw down. The difference being that Fury got his rematch and Wlad did not.

Oh I get it. We can use end-of-the-road Wlad for comparisons but when we use a somewhat delapidated version of Tyson I'm being unfair?

Most of Tyson's KOs were against old, shot or bum fighters. Go look at the record. You'll see I'm right. Tyson's KO record would not intimidate Wlad in the least, who probably had a harder best punch than Tyson. Been there, seen that.

This needs to be framed. I could use it over and over. It matters very much indeed. Wlad pretty much wiped the floor with the small guys and you know it.

Nah. The ONLY psychological scars Wlad has are from his tendency to gas as seen in his early fights. In other words he is reluctant to let it all hang out on the line in case he blows his wad. It's essentially why he lost to AJ, a fight that he could easily have won if he'd put his foot on the gas at the right time. He fights to a system and that system is tremendous against small guys.

 

I agree based on his dominance he should be an ATG, but I'll never call someone that fought the way he did, great. No way.

Wlad was an excellent fighter but the HW champion of the world does not look like a freightened schoolboy in the ring, especially when he's a giant, insanely strong & devastating puncher. Watching him was always very frustrating.