Prime Zsolt Erdei would be the biggest styllistic nightmare for Andre Ward

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  1. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    I have to say I have a lot of respect for Andre Ward's boxing skills and he is definitely a legit ATG. However, after watching some of the Zsolt Erdei fights I couldn't help not to think about how difficult his style would be for Andre Ward.

    First of all, Zsolt Erdei was a criminally underrated fighter who was ducked by everybody. He was practically undefeated, his only "loss" (controversial decision) against a Russian fighter came after he returned from retirement and didn't care anymore. He had 16 title defenses and ducked nobody. In fact, everybody ducked him. Furthermore even the corrupt German promotion wanted to **** him over and matched him up with a CW Fragomeni and Erdei beat him up easily.

    He had the kind of frame that gives inside fighters like Ward a lot of trouble, a short stocky 5 foot 10 guy who moved up to CW and dominated the champ there as well. If you know anything about Hungarian people and their genetics you would know that they're some of the biggest, strongest and toughest people in the world and their history attests to that. Erdei was strong as hell and very powerful from close range, spamming very accurate and narrow but powerful and technical short hooks. He defended with a high guard and would often drop low and really sit on his punches. His hands very incredibly fast, firing quick devastating combos all night long. Add to that his iron chin and relentless cardio. He could also switch to Tyson-esque head movement if he needed to. He was pretty much a complete fighter while bringing that power and explosiveness of a short fighter to the table.

    I think the only kind of fighter that could give him trouble is a rangy power puncher who could make him think twice about advancing, but other than that I just can't see any modern LHW beating him. Beterbiev would have a puncher's chance and maybe Gvozdyk if he fought a perfect fight and blasted him away with 1-2s. For anyone else Zsolt Erdei was just too slick, too Hungarian, too fast, too short, too head movement... Even though Ward is probably a better boxer overall I think Erdei would have his number. It would be a classic case of styles make fights.

    I just can't see Ward winning it. Either he tries to clinch and infight and gets blasted or tries to fight the perfect fight on the outside where the iron chin cardio freak Erdei would eventually walk him down and be all over him as well. I have huge respect for Ward but Zsolt Erdei is just a terrible, terrible match up for him.
     
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  2. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    Americans like to dismiss this guy simply because he never fought a big name in the USA yet they give a pass to all the American fighters who ONLY fight in the USA. Everybody ducked Erdei, nobody wanted to dare to come to Europe to take his 0.

    Like I said, the most underrated fighter ever.

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    His highlights don't really tell the whole story because it's mostly just him delivering the final blows to opponents who were already physically and mentally broken at that point. You need to watch his entire fights (they're mostly on youtube) to see his fluidity.
     
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  3. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He might be tough. However, everyone knows Andre Wards biggest stylistic nightmare is the one and only, Joe "death by a thousand slaps" Calzaghe.
     
  4. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    I think both Ward and Erdei beat Calzaghe. I mean for Erdei it would be like fighting his little sister. With his iron chin he could do a Mayorga against Calzaghe all night long and he still wouldn't feel those slaps.
     
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    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He wouldn't feel the slaps, but he'd feel the UD.
     
  6. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    Not in Germany.
     
  7. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really like Firebird (which I think served as the rough translation for his nickname in English), and by rights he should have been able to retire undefeated in his career. The decision "loss" that he suffered against Grachev was just vile. My choice for Robbery Of The Year in 2013.

    I also think he does hang with Ward in this hypothetical match-up. Erdei was too damned good not to have his moments against anyone he faces. I think I might favor Ward to win since he can box well from the outside, too, and has enough inside game to hold his own once Erdei works his way into range. But I don't see it being easy work at all, and an Erdei win certainly isn't out of the question, and at the very least he'd make SOG work hard to ensure he'd get the nod.
     
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  8. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    He would be a tougher fight for Ward than anybody Ward faced in his career so far. He would take Ward to places he has never been to before and push him to the limits.

    I'm not 100% convinced my man Erdei would win in this hypothetical scenario but he would definitely be a HUGE problem for Ward's style.
     
  9. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    I think his nickname comes from the song he used as his entrace song Szállj el kismadár (fly away little bird?). I know some really basic Hungarian... My ancestors were Slavs who lived in the Kingdom of Hungary before the Trianon treaty.

    Look at him having fun here lol, this is the song

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  10. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    According to SOB he is going to outbox Joshua! LOL! Liar!

    Does Erdei have steel testicles? SOB would never fight outside his home turf, that's just a fact.................as SOB said, neutral judges would not be fair...........................someone tell me why he said that...............
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Was always a fan of Erdei and did some threads on him. Very underrated. I would favour Erdei against any of the current LHWs
     
  12. BCS8

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    Well, I'd be happy to see Ward against Usyk :cool:
     
  13. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Erdei had some skill but I reckon he wasnt willing to become a consumate professional.
    Like he probably could have shaved off some of that extra weight and been a super middy in his peak days. He certainly showed some conditioning issues and went missing in action mentally for spells, not usually long enough to be an issue but he didn't really face the level of opp that would have jumped on him for it.

    Good fundamentally, looked nice and fluid. But I think Dre shuts down him down and tests that shaky engine with wrasslin and body shots.
    9-3..AW.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Old post of mine

    'Zsolt Erdei was a damned good fighter too, and a highly decorated and experienced amateur who had over 230 amateur fights finishing with an overall record of 212-20.

    Erdei was also world amateur championship gold medalist, an Olympic bronze medalist (losing to the excellent Russian Gaydarbek Gaydarbekov who was an Olympic gold and silver medalist) and a 2 x European gold medalist and a 1 x silver medalist too.

    Erdei beat a lot of great amateurs too. His list of victims include:

    The great Cuban Ariel Hernandez who was 2 x Olympic gold medalist and a 2x gold medalist at the world amateur championships (it would've been 3 had he not lost to Erdei in the final).

    The superb Russian Alexandr Lebziak who was an Olympic gold medalist, a world amateur championship gold and silver medalist, and a 2 x European gold medalist and a he also won a silver and 2 bronze medals at those championships.

    He beat another superb Russian too - Yevgeny Makarenko who was a 2 x gold medalist at the world amateur championships, a 2 x European gold medalist and he also won a bronze at those championships too.

    Another of Erdei's amateur victims was the excellent Kazakh Yermakhan Ibraimov who was an Olympic gold and bronze medalst, and a world amateur championships silver and bronze medalist too.

    Erdei also beat a couple of other fighters who won bronze medals at the world amateur championships too.

    So in addition to Erdei being a highly decorated and accomplished amateur himself, he also beat 3 Olympic gold medalists (one a of them a 2 x gold medalist), 3 world amateur champions (2 of them 2 x winners) - and the world amateur championships are even harder to win than the Olympics, 2 European champions (both 2 x winners) and numerous opponents who won silvers and bronze medals in all those championships too.'

    So he beat 3 Olympic gold medals winners, the deck-stacking, dice-loading filthy dirty serial cheat coward who literally needs every advantage so that the playing field couldn't be any more uneven in his favour and who refused to allow neutral judges for his rematch against Kovalev after all 3 of them and the referee (32 fights, 32 US refs) for their first one were all American, would be number 4. And that's a fact by the way. That's what Serge is talking about. Real talk.
     
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  15. lepinthehood

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    beats ward half to death.
     
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