PRIMES - CHAVEZ beats MAYWEATHER Jr

:rofl we must have posted at the same time

I was really hoping Pac would destroy him inside of 3 rounds, but it doesn't look like thats shaping up

 

So let me understand. You are the same poster who has said to me that your opinion is your opinion, and that it cannot be proven incorrect. However, you yourself tell others that if their opinion is one you don't find agreeable, that they are incapable of analyzing and allow others to form their opinions for them? Am I reading this correctly? Basically, either everyone agrees with you OR their opinion is invalid or simply isn't their own, but one they have surmised from other people?

 

Mayweather is one of the most mobile, quick, well conditioned, and athletic fighters to ever step in a boxing ring. His defense was considered by most people the best in the sport, and he wasn't afraid to run. In my mind there's no possible way Chavez wins. Mayweather UD on clean, effective, and highly apparent scoring, whilst making it very clear that Chavez is missing him throughout. Possibly a shutout.

 

That is idiotic. How the hell did a fighter Chavez's inferior in every category(with roughly the same style) do so well against Floyd if what you just said was true?

How would Duran beat Floyd in that case, considering he doesn't even opt to cut off the ring in his approach?

 

On a side note were you serious the other day when you said that Cotto isn't technically good enough to outbox Margo?

 

So you disagree then? LOL

This proposed matchup is at 140. The Castillo debacle took place at 135. Mayweather has the benefit of that experience in this fantasy fight. I like the concept of Castillo having been Chavez' SP as an argument, ect. I read it here in this thread before I responded. However, the fact is Castillo and Chavez are NOT THE SAME PERSON regardless of their percieved stations and stature. Mayweather over Chavez. PERIOD. Having a nemesis in boxing isn't about their style, it is about the man himself, the individual. History proves that as fact.

 

YEP. Let's cut the ****. Why don't you tell me exactly why and how Cotto is technically skilled and gifted enough to completely outbox Margarito?

 

I know a million guys have probably said this and it will probably take a million more before some people get it. JCC's sparring partner gave Floyd everything he could handle. Floyd would lose. There shouldn't even be a debate.

 

I don't understand how someone can say that he isn't superior all the way around. I'm at work so I don't have time to write up a huge analysis, but heres some main points off the top of my head:

Cotto has a stronger and better jab that will hit Margo all night.

Cotto has better movement and ring technician skills. He can (and probably will) stay out of reach of Margo but his superior timing and footwork will allow him to hit Margo regardless of whether he's on the outside or not

Margo is terrible at backing up. I don't see him backing up much in this fight, but my point is that he will get hit coming at Cotto or get hit backing up.

Margo will get frustrated and sloppy after Cotto constantly times him out coming at him.

Most people who think Margo will take this fight generally say how much better his workrate is but I don't buy it. We all know that accuracy trumps busy workrates and generally cuts them in half.

I look for a Cotto 9-3 UD

 

did you see all the shots Chavez took from Taylor? Chavez came out the fight with only a nic on the bridge of his nose! to say Mayweather would cut a prime JCC, is nuts. I don't see Floyd landing half the shots Tay did, or as hard.

Not saying Tay is better than Floyd, though the argument can be made. But Floyd isn't easily better than Tay either. Taylor came out destroyed from that fight, physicaly, mentaly, his spirit was busted as well. a past prime DLH hardly landed shots on Mayweather and look how busted Floyd looked after that fight.

I have no problem in accepting the possibility that PBF could win against a prime JCC. But it would not be on cuts, or any stoppage. only a boring ass fight in which Floyd would be running landing one quick shot at a time.

 

LOL chavez face was known for not swelling or cutting up except for the little cut over the bridge of his nose. Im telling u people are going too much based on the past prime Chavezatsch

 

Chavez never cut except over the bridge of his nose. IF you know boxing like im hoping you know, im sure you know that as a boxer ages the skin litterally wears and tears down after so many fights. I never saw chavez bleed aside from the bridge on the nose untill he was past his prime vs David kamau. Stay off that legendary nights and know the man who was a wrecking ball in his prime.

 

I would favor chavez against mayweather in a close fight

 

If Cotto is superior all the way around in your mind or someone else's, that's fine by me. I might even agree to some extent. But like I have said on a few occasions here, the difference between being somewhat slightly better than who you're facing, and having Neo The Chosen One type abilities are two totally different things.

In order to utterly outclass an opponent and be able to play the game of hit-and-not-get-hit at the level where it's worth mentioning, you have to be Willie Pep, you have to be Floyd Mayweather. Literally, you have to actually be as good as those guys to play that game. If you're as good as Miguel Cotto then you're going to hit maybe only slightly more than you're getting hit. Not putting on some outrageous display where the other guy is missing everything and you're touching him up whenever you feel like it.

Now, if you think that Cotto can take Margarito's haymakers, and you think that Cotto can take Margarito's combos - all the power to you. I don't, because dude is going to get hit. I repeat, Cotto is going to get hit. He can beat the ever living **** out of Margarito all damn night long. Cotto is going to keep getting hit. Cotto's jab isn't going to stop or slow down Margarito, fully loaded power shots don't slow down Margarito.

There's more, but I'm boring the **** out of myself with this stuff...

 

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