Primes: Evander Holyfield vs. Floyd Patterson

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by djanders, Feb 10, 2010.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, you did:




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    In a discussion about about what these knockouts mean as it relates to Ali's power.

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    Why couldn't Ali knock out Bonovena and Foreman?




    Based upon your post.
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    No I didn't... If you can't overcome your ongoing tendency to missunderstand what you read, then I don't have the time to explain it to you.







    Problems with reading comprehension is no laughing matter.



    And I will repeat what I have said all along.. Ali's stoppages of Bonavena were largely related to stamina issues and other factors. Not just Ali's punching ability, and these fights do not prove that he hit any harder than Holyfield....
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    Well he stopped one of them as a result of a three knockdown rule in the 15th and final round... Not sure I'd call that a knockout, but whatever floats your boat.. As for Foreman. He gassed... I suppose you equate stamina to the solidity of a chin as well? Hey!!!!! I just pulled a McGrain and put words in someone's mouth!!!! That felt pretty good!!!!





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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well i'm only basing it upon your words, written in black and white.

    You wrote that you saw the fact that men you see as being better punchers than Ali having never stopped Foreman or Bonovena was evidence that there was something other than punching ability at work in these stoppage wins.

    So if either one had been knocked out by these better punchers, that evidence would no longer exist.

    That is exactly what I said, and I can't see how there is any other possible interpretation?








    No, but advice on how to conduct myself on the forum from the man who told me to "**** off and watch the fight", is.
     
  4. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So? Just because he was in with big punchers doesn't mean he has to get blasted out in three rounds or less on three separate occasions.

    Because the key word there is stopped. Two of his losses ended on the stool between rounds, and another with him still on his feet standing up to punishment.

    Then what does?

    Yes it is. Every fighter has to deal with the same issues; the ones who deal with it better are the ones who have better chins. This argument here is just making excuses/exceptions specifically for Patterson.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've always been one for judging chins based upon how likely the fighter is to suffer a stoppage - that's how chins should be ranked.

    Of course, somebody who is susceptable to flashes or being knocked down and hurt but surviving can lose a fight for this reason because they lose points on the judges cards. But as far as they describe durability and punch resistance, i'm far less interested in KD's than KO's.
     
  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, it does not but it shows that he a) he only got KOed by great punchers and b) that he never was KOed past three rounds.

    Right. And Patterson stood everytime he was stopped.

    Beeing KOed? What else should do?

    Beeing off-balance and having a bad balance is no a bad chin - and this is clearly visible in his fights. These are no excuses, this should be taken into account when judging him but it has nothing to do with his chin.
     
  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    A little ironic after I was just bustin your chops about this, no? It's best not to interpret but respond to what the person says.
     
  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    On the thread topic...

    If you want to get a glimpse of what Patterson vs. Holyfield would look like, take a look at Patterson vs. Quarry I and II. The comparison isn't perfect, but both Quarry and Holyfield were fast, mobile, mid-sized counterpunchers who ran into slugfests that they didn't need to.
     
  9. mightyd40

    mightyd40 Spartan Full Member

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    i think patterson would start off well, but would eventually be worn down by holy. so either a late ko or a fairly comfortable decision would be my pick