Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

Considering he hasn't fought any....no.

But I did see him flattened by a mediocre guy with a 63% KO record who couldn't knock out former welterweights. Does that count?

He wasn't cut that badly, considering he brutalized Hearns when this supposedly brutal cut was bleeding all over him.

Aside from the cut, Hearns did no damage to Hagler's granite chin. That's called "not being busted up". :good

You're right. He was more skilled, more accurate, faster, had a wider variety of punches, and a bigger build.

He hit as hard as Pavlik as well.

HEARNS, Obelmejias, Mugabi...

What terrible logic. They're not like Marv, so it's irrelevant.

 

Hey, I'm just using YOUR methods.

If you don't like them, perhaps you should revise your approach...?

Really? WHEN DID HE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS TYPE OF FIGHTER?

Except they weren't any good....

Silly 2smart4u.

Being Marvin's height isn't a "style".

You described Pavlik as a tall, rangy fighter with a two fisted attack, a good jab, and heavy punches.

BY YOUR OWN CRITERIA Hearns fights like him. And Hagler whipped Hearns from pillar to post.

 

This 2smart4u is the most obtuse ****.

Can you please explain how this is a hard fight to pick? If Pavlik has a chance, how is he winning the fight? KO or on points? Both are equally laughable, so I look forward to your answer.

 

Actually ******* PAV is a very tall durable guy with a big puch and pretty good skill ! I simply claimed it would be a tough fight and didnt pick PAV to win ! Its ptetty hard to pick against a peak MARV so I didnt ! But I also dont think this is the cakewalk that these clowns are cliaming !:hi:

 

You said it's a hard fight to pick. That infers you think Pavlik has a chance of winning surely?

So answer the ****ing question.

 

When did I say it would be a "cakewalk"?

I said it would be onesided and have a nearly certain outcome, but it's not going to be like picking daisies. This is boxing, not ballet.

 

atsch Must you waste so much time spinning ! MARV has never beat a fighter quite like PAV and vise versa ! MARV was getting hit alot by TOMMY becasue of RANGE ! PAV has the same range POWER with durability ! Get it ! And for the record MARV couldnt ko a fat over the hill LIGHTWEIGHT ! So by your account he has no chance in koing or outboxing PAV ! Its a tough fight to pick from what we know now no matter how hard you spin it ! :hi:

 

One sided with a certain outcome and you call me the bias one who simply claimed its a hard fight to pick ! Like I stated MARV had a prettyt rough time when faced with durable competent guys like VITO who ( dispite what you claim ) didnt have the size or firepower of PAV ! this is a hard fight to pick and far from CERTAIN as you rediculously claim ! :good

 

You mean he never beat a Pavlik clone?

My, what a stunning revelation!

You're getting angry now.

The ownish ownly ownage must be getting to you.

Marvin was hit heavily for about a round (which didn't hurt him) and then beat Tommy to a pulp. If you think the Hearns fight indicates Pavlik has a chance, think again.

And you are wrong--a lot of the fighting was on the inside, not the outside.

But he could KO just about everyone else.

Pavlik would likely be outboxed by that version of Duran.

By MY admission?

No, it isn't.

Marvin beat better fighters, knocked out better fighters, and destroyed fighters who fought very closely to the way Pavlik fought. He never showed any hints of having trouble with ANY of the skills that Pavlik brings to the table.

 

atsch So he might bust him up and get a desision ! Oh but i FORGOT MARV is an ALL TIME GREAT and could never lose a desision ! ( Dispite the fact he actually did lose desisions when he was active ! Now why dont you tell me why he has no chance when lesser fighters did ?:yep

 

Taylor is the harder puncher.

 

Yeah, you are biased...because it ISN'T a hard fight to pick! :yikes

Since you believe Pavlik has a chance in a fight that any reasonable person knows he'll lose, you're biased.

Except that Pavlik isn't nearly as durable as Vito, nor does he have a remotely similar style. In fact, your analogy is wrong in pretty much every way.

Also, when did I claim Vito hit as hard as Pavlik? I said he was better, which he was. Or does "better" mean "hits harder" to you?

 

MARV beat much better fighters did he ? Its funny I didnt see this or the fighters like PAV ( in fact MONZON would kind of been like PAV ) he beat ! Its a hard fight to pick based on what we know ! PAV brings plenty of troubling intangables ! then again the last time I checked most thought PAV had no chance in his last couple of fights !:hey

 

So Kelly Pavlik is going to outbox Marvin Hagler and win on points. Just when I thought I'd heard it all...

 

Pavlik is easy to land on and Marvs fast hands would land constantly time and again as Pavliks predictable attacks would not get through Haglers defense.

Maybe Hagler would knock out Pavlik early. I mean if Taylor could put Pavlik down the faster harder hitting, fitter Hagler, then the harder hitting Hagler could maybe go one better and finnish Pavlik early

Who knows maybe Pavlik would be really tough and take Hagler the distance losing a wide decision.