Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

So you just proved ONCE AGAIN that Hearns had great power.

Good job. :good

Actually, you're the one who's using that kind of logic. Every time you want a fighter to win, you'll pick out his one strength and keep repeating it. Every time you want a fighter to lose, you'll focus on his one weakness and keep repeating it.

It's what you do with Wlad vs. Ali, and it's what you're doing with Pavlik vs. Hagler. The problem is that Pavlik's weaknesses and Hagler's strengths are so imbalanced in this fight that you're looking absurd.

So "a draw he should have won" = a loss? :huh

 

Fair enough, and I see where you're coming from. But isn't the entire point of a fight prediction to pick the most likely outcome, rather than the fluke that might happen once in a while?

 

That's because you don't have any common sense.

Let's deal in facts. We are talking about a guy that beat Mugabi, Hearns, Duran, Obelmejias and countless other ranked fighters and lost a very controversial decision to SRR. (For your information, he didn't lose to Vito he drew and won comfortably in the rematch but don't let facts get in the way..)

You keep bringing up the same point of how Hagler really struggled against a lightweight and a welter. Even if that was true, if you fight 67 times chances are you are going to have the occasional off night. Put it into perspective, it hardly takes away from his legacy.

On the other hand we have a guy that has fought one decent fighter (2 at a push) and was knocked senseless in round 2. Let's not forget he was also down on the cards, and was being outboxed for the most part. Most on here seem to agree. It's pretty obvious to most on here his skills are ordinary to good, and his defence is woeful. His trump card is his power and spirit.

If you genuinely think Pavlik has a chance all power to you, but its hardly suprising you are met with such vocal opposition.

 

atsch Non of those guys are remotly like PAVLIK man ! so do I pull out every five foot eight guy and claim he is like HAGLER and PAV crushed them ? MARVIN almost lost to an OLD FAT LIGHTWEIGHT and he actually lost his title to a defensive welter so those comparisons can be thrown out the window ! And to sasy HAGLER has no styistic weaknesses against a guy half a foot taller is completly ******ed ! :deal As is the claim he would definitly beat him !:nut

 

atsch So then whats the point of debating current fighters against old ones ? according to you the old ones are proven and should be given a pass !

 

:huh but I never claimed he would win ! I claimed it would be a better fight then you guys think it would be ! And for that Im supposedly stupid ! Your twisting the story again man and its rediculous ! :deal

 

:yep So you dont understand that when facing certain fighters other fighters are more careful and dont get caught with haymakers ? I remeber a guy named ALI who never even got hurt when facing the hardest punhers he ever faced but had to be saved by the bell against a 180 pounder ! PAVLIKS size reach power and durability could very possibly make for a tough fight for the shorter fighter ! And for the record those attributes are styistic advantages ! :tired

 

:huh Then why debate on a message board ! Isnt this for looking deeper into a subject then the obvious ? We all know MARVIN is the more accomplished fighter but that is not always the desiding factor ! F---k man your starting to get like RADAR !:yep

 

:good Thanks for the rational ! Exellent post ! PS I certainly hope people are playing the ****ing race game here !:rofl

 

Beating Taylor doesnt automatically prove you have the skills of Mugabi or Hearns. Both those guys looked quicker to me and had better boxing skills when Hagler to beat them.

 

:huh the BEAST lost by KO everytime he stepped up ! And noone claimed he was more skilled then TOMMY ! he is a larger stronger more durable guy ! And thats makes a big difference ! :good

 

Were talking about prime Hagler here. When Leonard decided to fight Hagler, it was only after Hagler looked sloppy beating Mugabi down. After the Hearns fight, Hagler started to show his age. The fact that Pavlik is being matched up with Hagler already shows that youre a little quick to find a hero or who's hot for the year. Cant Pavlik at least get two defenses before we jump into his jockstrap?

 

Hagler KO within 5 seconds of round 1.

 

atsch Did you read my posts ? I never claimed PAV could beat him in or out of his PRIME ! I simply said he has attributes that just may give HAGLER problems ! the posters above are always trying to take things way out of context to suit their agendas ! I think its safe to say PAV is a handful for most fighters in this class ! great or not ! there is nothing irrational about saying this ! but it is irrational to claim a definit mismatch in MARVS favour ! :bbb

 

Would have been a war but I can see Pavlik succumbing to Hagler's assault around the 7th.