Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why do you think this would get into the second round.






    Seriously, We haven't seen prime Pavlik yet so we don't know.

    But present Pavlik v Prime hagler, an early KO of Pavlik.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Pavlik's got a long way to go before he's fit for decent mention in a match like this. Give him time and see what develops.
     
  3. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    I don't understand why people are taking Hagler for the first or second round ko. Lets not forget that Hagler didn't have any devastating power and he preferred to actually box. Not to mention Pavlik has a good chin imo. Hagler ko10
     
  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    You might want to ask Hearns about that.
     
  5. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've said this numerous times.

    This myth of Marvin Hagler being an aggressive brawler has become quite annoying. I've read numerous clowns proclaiming "Hagler always come forward and never backed up ever!!!" :roll:

    Floyd Mayweather was more aggressive in his fights against southpaws and also versus Philip Ndou. My, let's start callling Mayweather an aggressive fighter who generally liked to come forward and who got stunned or bruised up in the majority of his fights!!

    Why, Mike Tyson couldn't stop Mitch Green, Razor Ruddock without the help of a quick stoppage, Tony Tucker, or James Tillis. I guess Tyson wasn't much of a puncher!!
     
  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :yep
     
  7. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    I said "devastating power"; as in one punch ko power. Show me some examples please :deal . Hagler WAS NOT a brawler and if he fought Pavlik there is no way he would trade with him looking for the early ko. Aside from the Hearns fight he never showed any Pavlik-like power (and still didn't really in that fight, it took MANY flush punches to take a chinny Hearns out). He wasn't weak by any means but as I stated he wasn't a ko fighter. His high ko percentage was because of his excellent work rate and getting many tko's and stopages. Pavlik has a great chin and theres no way Hagler ko's him in the first or second, thats just silly. He would outbox Pavlik and find him late for the ko.
     
  8. Sonny Carson

    Sonny Carson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's because Pavlik was hurt by Jermain Taylor and was also hurt a little bit by Zertuche.

    Hagler KO 5
     
  9. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    that's exactly what I thought. :yep
     
  10. stuistylee

    stuistylee j.c.chavez superstar Full Member

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    thats what i think mate...but anyway hagler stops kp b4 the 5th and im pretty sure on that...:good :bbb(and im pretty sure it looks ugly...)...
     
  11. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    Pavlik has been champ for a minute and already some are matching him with Hagler? :think
     
  12. stuistylee

    stuistylee j.c.chavez superstar Full Member

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    i hope most of these matchups are...pavlik-hagler...come on guys(c people picking pavlik) go watch some tapes
     
  13. Dantes

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    :good
     
  14. inchpunch

    inchpunch Active Member Full Member

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    Guys, is it only me or is it not extremely obvious that at age 25 Pavlik is way ahead of Hagler at 25 in both resume and H2H??? Pavlik is undefeated, the recognized middleweight champion and has a freakish KO percentage. Hagler at 25 was a contender and had two losses, he was obvioulsy a late bloomer. Of course right now Pavlik cannot be compared to Hagler, but we simply don't know yet how good he is. We know he has good power, but if he continues his KO winning streak, he might one day be considered the hardest puncher at mw in history. We know he has weaknesses, but so far nobody has been able to take advantage of them to beat him. He ratio of Pavlik's strengths to weaknesses looks pretty good to me right now and within the next 3 - 4 fights, we will know a lot more about his quality. I would wait until then before I dismiss his chances in a fantasy matchup with Hagler or anyone else.
     
  15. Drexl

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    It's you.