Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

Well, could you explain how Pavlik is NOT ahead of Hagler at age 25? What about two losses in Hagler's record at that age against less than stellar fighters? What about Pavlik's complete dominance of opponents, including a streak of nine KO wins against his best opposition so far?

Little would have indicated at 25 that Hagler would develop into an ATG middleweight. There is good evidence right now that Pavlik will develop into an ATG, more so than in Hagler's case, same age. So why not wait two years and then do tha fantasy matchup again.

 

Very good post bro.:deal

 

Hagler fought in a different and much tougher era than Pavlik but Pavlik can only beat the guys who have been put in front of him, which he has done.Pavliks oblivious weakness is his chin. Hagler had a chin of granite.Even allowing for more improvement from Pavlik, and if the two were to have meet while both were in their prime, it would proabley come down to who can hold the best shot and that would be Hagler. HAGLER WIN BY KO OVER PAVLIK.

 

Thankyou.

I thought it was obvious... :roll:

 

1) Willie The Worm Monroe and Boogaloo Watts were both good fighters, probably as good as anyone Pavlik has fought except for his last 2 opponents.

2) Hagler lost close decisions to them, and went on to beat them both in rematches by stoppage (Watts by early KO, and Monroe by late KO and then early KO in the rubber match).

3) Pavlik was a whisker away from being stopped early by Taylor, who most people recognize is not as great as first thought.

4) At 25, Hagler beat Antuofermo who is on a par with enyone Pavlik has fought including Taylor.

 

Two losses are still two losses and "almost being stopped" and then turning the fight around and KO' ing your opponent is NOT a loss but rather an impressive testimony of a fighter's strength. Pavlik in theroy can be knocked out, but nobody has done it so far. Hagler definitely could be outboxed, and two guys did that to him by age 25.

The idea that the middleweights of the 70's were so superior to what we see today is debatable. I watched some of Hagler's early fights and I would say that there were a lot of good boxers who had mastered the fundamentals, but very few athletes or big middleweights like Taylor, Abraham, Pavlik.

BTW, I love Hagler and give him tremendous respect. What I dislike is the tendency to regard old fighters as supermen compared to current fighters. Much like the complaining about Wlad's clinching, when Ali was clinching at least as much, or Wlad's chin, when Joe Louis probably had a weaker chin. Hagler was human and had his share of struggles on his way to the top. Pavlik visibly struggeled in one round against the champion he dethroned in that same fight. Big deal. Like Tyson, Hagler developed a mystique of invincibility. This mystique lead so many to believe that knocking out Sugar Ray was a foregone conclusion. When a fighter shows as much potential as Pavlik does right now, completely dismissing his chances against anyone in history would as shortsighted as dismissing a great boxer like Sugar Ray before he fought Hagler.

 

hagler by ko tko or ud - whatever way it's hagler beating up that *******

 

Hagler could beat Palvik with just his dick!

 

Hagler by murder.

 

As of now, I'd say Hagler UD. Hagler's superior inside fighting skills decide this one, though Pavlik would win some rounds and do some damage as Hagler takes punishment getting there.

My god people aren't giving Pavlik any kind of respect. There were bums Hagler didn't KO early, and I really doubt he'd have blitzed in for the kill early against a guy who's a half foot taller, would outweigh him by at least 10 lbs, hits like a jackhammer, and who has very good toughness and conditioning.

Resume wise, it's obviously not comparable yet...but that shouldn't skew the H2H matchup THAT much.

 

Hagler by late KO.

 

Hagler knocks out Pavlik.

Pavlik has power but he cannot compete as fast as Hearns . . . did you people see what Hagler did to Hearns? :think

 

Being beat by a close decision is not the same as being "outboxed". Not in the way you are implying anyway.

 

Can't make a call till Pavlik has more fights....comapisons now are meaningless