Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

im a big pavlik fan but hagler would definitely win.

 

Agreed..Pavlik did show us he has a powerful and effective jab in the Taylor fight..Perhaps Pavlik would try to outbox and tire Hagler..People also tend to pay too much attention to the brief momentary lapses in defense Pavlik has had and not the excellent defense he has shown the Zertuche fight is a good example he looked like Winky early. Zertuche is very much of a puncher not known for an incredible jab. Now of course im not saying Hagler and Zertuche are the same just somewhat similar styles..And yes as good a year as Pavlik had in 07 he may get even better than he is now..As of now Hagler wins but not by a blowout...Which brings me to the question of "Do you have to KO Pavlik to beat him at this stage in his Career?" I just cant see him going the distance winning or losing..interesting i know:think

 

We tend to make past champions even greater than they were and present champs somehow lacking. Truth is, I give Pavlik a real good chance against Hagler. Pavlik is a big 6' 2" middle with all kinds of power and Hagler was about 5' 9" middle and that would an advantage to Pavlik.

It is pretty easy to say how great Hagler was. His reign is over and he was one of the great middleweights. I think Pavlik has the makings of a great one. Ony time will tell!

 

Hagler at age 25 had beaten Antuofermo for the title, and had a better overall wins resume than Pavlik, despite two losses(both avenged by stoppage) when he was green.

Pavlik the best puncher in MW history my ass. Never.

 

Hagler had the same reach as Pavlik, with much better boxing skills, and arguably the hardest chin of all time. Sorry, Pavlik ain't beating that.

 

Absolutely NOT! :shock:

 

I Agree, its easy to dismiss Pavlick here, but we have the whole career
of Haglers to look at. Pavlick has been underrated his whole career. A better question is who is out there that could beat Pavlick at 60 right now?

 

:deal :deal :deal :deal :deal

 

hagler eats him up like pac-man

 

Hagler TKO5. Pavlik would get sliced up by Hagler's jab

 

If anything, it strengthened my opinion.

 

I missed this..

How the hell do Hagler and Zertuche have somewhat similar styles?

 

No, he doesn't have a better resume than Kelly does at 25. He also didn't beat Antuofermo officially in 1979, no matter what you scored it. It also seems a little like you're throwing out the double standard card by writing off Hagler's bad performances due to his being green, while insinuating that Pavlik somehow is the finished product at the same point in time. Kelly's just as green as Marvin was, which is the whole point of comparing the two by age.

That doesn't change my opinion that it's far too soon for this "what if" matchup, because the overwhelming choice should be Hagler. But, if you cut off the two's resume's at the same point in time, it doesn't look like that at all. Pavlik would look to be the better fighter.

As we know though, Hagler then didn't lose for 7 years after the Vito draw. I don't think Pavlik will have that kind of success, because it's foolish to genuinely expect that level of dominance from any fighter...so the question's essentially as one sided as it gets. Why take the unknown of what Kelly may or may not do over the sure-fire dominant legacy we know Hagler had from 25 on?