Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

A similar thing happened when Pac beat Morales in the rubber match.

Suddenly we were expected to believe that Pac would murder Duran and JCC because Pac is "in better shape".

Ironically this nonsense takes away from the fighter, instead of making him look good.

 

If you instigate a fight with Marvin Hagler the way Pavlik does in his fights. Pavlik would be seeing stars b/c Marvelous would crack that body and give him a dose of uppercuts. Nobody out brawls Hagler..nobody.....at 160

 

Greb and Fitzsimmons might.

 

My problem is that somehow Hagler has become known as a brawler. Hagler had good boxing skills. Sure he brawled with Hearns. But he was a boxer as well.

 

You classic guys...

 

pavlik would lure any fighter in to a brawl as Hagler would be willing to brawl with pavlik it would make his job easier. I dont know much of Greb and Fitzsimmons but of old wise tales and folklore. So I cannot comment.

 

Too early for this kind of thread.Pavlik looks good but now we have to wait and see how is run as a Champ will go.

Hagler is a long time proven HOF ATG Champ.How could you not favor him right now?

 

He has a manual describing exactly how he fought on Google Books, plus 24 minutes of footage against Corbett and a little bit from another fight. There's just enough to get a good idea of how he fought.

Greb....well, he's mostly a boxrec record at this point. But we know his opponents were pretty good, since most of their film survives.

 

Hagler wouldn't have to brawl Pavlik. Taylor could have beaten him if he hadn't of brawled him.

Let me put it this way, Pavlik couldn't have gotten Jones or Hopkins to brawl with him, or Toney or Nunn. Great boxers or skilled fighters could time Pavlik and elude him. He is simply imposing his will on fighters and making them fight his fight. Great fighters won't necessarily fall into that trap. As we saw last night, he can be countered pretty easy right now. He needs to mix his attack up and go to the body more.

 

I respect the classic fighters of the past. They were some tough son of a guns. They had skills. I watch the old classic fights and they had pretty much everything. Well, some. They had footwork, defense, hand speed. Thats why I respect the classic posters b/c you guys look more in depth. I know there were great fighters pre-Sugar Ray Rob. :yep

 

Thank'ee.

It certainly beats watching Calzaghe, that's for sure.

 

Why don't mods ever close the threads that need to be closed?

 

I havent really seen a fighter like Pavlik that is looking to exchange from round 1. It would be hard to avoid a brawl by the way he has a pretty good effective jab. His body attack is good if he uses it. But JT would of got knocked out if he didnt get Pavliks respect early. JT did not expect to hurt him as you can tell by the way he could not finish the job. JT did the right thing by throwing Pavlik off and making the fight go at an akward pace. JT has mental stigmas in the ring. Like when his back touches the ropes thats the only time he really gets aggresive. He should of showed that when he had pavlik out on his feet in round two. Just a little rough housing and Pavlik would of been gone. He needs to watch some Hagler fights.

 

Absolutly ! thats why I was refering to the poster who claimed HAGLER would win because he was an all time great ! I wish you would take a look at the context of my replys before suggesting what you think I was getting at ! :deal