Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

Nope, it isn't.

Christ it looks like we're going to have a 'Pavlik fan quote of the week' thread series soon atsch

 

Pavlik adjusted nice yesterday. He started to use the jab more and he was finding the mark with it over and over. But like kg said, he should definitely go to the body more.

 

To Pavlik's credit, though, he did beat the LINEAL middleweight champion, so these compliments are somewhat more warranted. Wlad has not done so in his own division yet.

 

If I see a Pavlik vs Jones prime for prime thread, and Pavlik even gets 30% of the votes, I am taking a week off just to make sure I am not hallucinating.

 

Same ole crap...A guy wins who is not favored, and suddenly every past champ would beat him...Perhaps Hagler WOULD...but so many people said Lacy was gonna beat Joe....Taylor is gonna beat PAvlik...I've heard this all before. NO ONE knows who from the past would beat who from today...it's all personal bias of one sort or another.:twisted:

 

TOMMY was koed at welter so your point makes no sence ! Regardless of where he bulked up to he was a feeble guy and PAV is a large powerful and durable guy ! And HAG was busted up by TOMMY if you recall !

 

Hagler was a deliberate pressure fighter with decent power and a good chin, stocky and a lower center of gravity.

I think Pavlik takes a better shot than Hearns, despite both having some very common attributes. Pavlik is also a bit more filled out as a middleweight than Hearns who started as a welterweight.

I have to believe that if Hearns hurt Hagler, Pavlik could too. I don't think Hagler would stop Pavlik as quickly as he did Hearns. I think it's a bit closer than that.

There's no reason to believe that Hagler couldn't impose his will on Pavlik. But there is also no reason to believe that Pavik's power wouldn't push Hagler back.

The one thing I think would be a factor is Hagler's uppercut. He threw this punch well and I think it'd give Pavlik some trouble.

I see Hagler winning late but not without having his chin tested something serious.

 

:good Much more reasonable ! And for the record HAGLER couldnt put away the limited VITO in the first fight and VITO is nowhere near as good as PAV !

 

I guess never realized that Lacy never was regarded as an elite fighter and was just fun to watch. I guess you forgot that part. Lacy was the worst of the so called best over here. If Calnobody beat hopkins/ Roy/ winky ****...even tarver at any point in his career. And if he stopped ducking Glen Johnson claiming hand injuries then going on to fight Manfredo. I guess the UK forgot about that. I didnt... Then we would shoot him over more respect.

 

atsch So who is the LINEAL that VLAD must beat ! I think he is a tad more accomlished at heavy then PAV is at MIDDLE !:bbb

 

Vito had an unbelievable chin

 

How many fights did Lacy have again....what..19--20 or something..

 

So what? Hearns was at his best at higher weights than welter (where he was only 23), so it's irrelevant. He was a huge welterweight and a pretty big middleweight.

He also had a larger frame, greater height, more skill, and more accuracy than Pavlik. All of his punches were better, and Pavlik didn't exactly look all that durable last night when he was down against Taylor.

Hagler absorbed Hearns' punches (harder and more accurate than Pavlik's) without flinching. You said Hagler would have problems with a tall fighter with a good jab and two fisted power. He walked through Hearns in two rounds, so who is it?

 

The other three beltholders.

 

Yes but Pavlik almost got KTFO by Taylor, who seems to be universally acknowladged around here as a '****' champion. Which looks worse?