Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

But he could KO the best middleweights. And since Pavlik is not a welterweight....

And didn't you just get finished saying (incorrectly) that Hearns was nothing more than a frail welterweight?

 

As I said, Taylor couldn't put a dent in Spinks or Wright, yet had Pavlik on ***** St for at least 60 seconds and on the verge of being stopped (a lot of referees would have stopped the fight in fact)

Therefore Pavlik must be a bum, right?

 

TOMMY was palstering him before the weak chin came into play ! Remember ! and the last time I checked MARV had a hard time with the jabs of SUGAR and that lightweight guy ! So you can certainly suggest he had a hard time with large guys with a good jab and plenty of power ! Which by the way most guys would ! just like PAV would find it hard to overcome MARVINS southpaw stance skill and durability ! :deal It works both ways here and would be hard fight to predict !

 

We most probably haven´t seen Pavlik´s prime yet.

 

We probably won't either, with that defence and chin :yep

 

Good point. He is still only 25 years old. 5 years from now let's see where he stands.

 

he got up right away and survived without much trouble against a big hard punching guy ! And for the record some guys get caught and some guys dont ! Id say LL punched alot harder then RUIZ who could drop HOLY and also alot harder then BOWE who koed him right !:yep

 

You obviously weren't on here yet a month prior to the Lacy / Calzaghe fight. Lacy was their God...he was gonna KILL Joe...then as SOON as that one first loss comes...he's overrated/ a bum...instead of giving Joe credit, these haters mock their beloved Lacy, and start with the RJJ vs Joe threads...This past, and that past champ vs Joe...just to start their gutless hater threads...same **** happening now with Pavlik...Just say he won, and lets move on, instead of having every fkin past fighter kicking his butt already., when he hasn't even had the chancet to defend, or lose his first title defense fight...haters sicken me...:fire

 

Survived 'without much trouble'??

Absolute bull****.

The rest of your post seems to be aimed at countering your own argument so I'll ignore it. Can you 'own' yourself on a forum by the way :huh

**** it, if anyone can do it then you can.

 

Neither his chin nor his defence have let him down so far.....

 

Yeah, for a grand total about half a round. That must have been some weak chin to "come into play" so quickly while Hearns was "plastering" Hagler.

Neither of whom fought remotely like Pavlik. Nor were they the tall, two fisted sluggers you mentioned.

Hearns was, and Hagler beat him easily. So who is this tall mystery fighter with power, a great jab, and two fisted power who gave Hagler so much trouble?

But the point is that Hagler fought guys with better power, better chins, and a lot more skill than Pavlik, and he dominated them. Pavlik did not face guys with the skill, experience, durability, and power of Hagler, yet he was still badly hurt by Jermain Taylor.

This isn't a pick 'em until Pavlik can prove himself against the volume of opposition that Hagler did.

 

His chin isn't bad. It's pretty good, actually, when you factor in his lack of defense. Just not up to Hagler's standards.

 

I wasn't being serious.....

Having said that, I'd still like to know how this guy is a boxing god overnight by beating someone that everyone on these boards said was '****' :huh :huh :huh

If he'd KO'd Taylor in 2 rounds or something then yeah go a bit overboard, but he nearly got punched into the middle of next week in that 2nd round, ate shots all night and was behind on the cards when he stopped Taylor. Don't get me wrong Taylor ate his fair share of shots too, neither of these guys were THAT impressive, to be honest.

He looks a good fighter to me, I've got no reason to dislike him but some of the **** that gets spouted on here is astounding at times

 

I've seen Hagler on YouTube. He looked slow and crude to me. A face first brawler with a ton of heart but very little boxing skill. Plus, his chin is waaayyy overrated because he never fought a real puncher. Just a bunch of other Americans because the best fighters from Eastern Europe were never allowed to get a shot at the title in those bigoted days.



Hagler is definitely underrated by some these days, and he could do it all in his prime, just fun to use the same argument that is used against every Hall of Fame white fighter pre 1960 (except Pep who apparently could box, but he was way overrated too).

 

Kelly beats Taylor, and taylor is a bum/overrated. Kelly no sooner wins the title, and he's losing to evrey former middlweight of the past. He hasn't even had his first defense/ or loss defending,,,and he's beaten by past fighters.. He's the new champ...SCREW those past pot bellies now...their time is over, Kellys' may just be starting...leave those past primes be where they are....retired.atsch